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  1.    25 May 2016 #51
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    I just turned that Windows 8.1 PC back on and ran Windows update manually. It did the checking for updates for about 10 minutes then just displayed a "Upgrade to Windows 10" "Start installing the latest version of Windows now". "More info" and "Get started" are the only two options shown in that message box. More info just opens IE to the FAQ page for the free upgrade. The only other option underneath it is "show all updates"? Talk about in your face and making it impossible to actually do anything but upgrade..
    If I go to show all updates there are 222 listed as important and 11 optional. Some say they are security updates, and some say update for Windows 8.1. Non of them say they are the one that does the upgrade, and Upgrade to Windows 10 is not in the list? So now what do you do? Thanks Microsoft for really complicating peoples computing experience. It looks like there is no way to run Windows update manually without upgrading to Windows 10?
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  2.    25 May 2016 #52
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    OK, it looks like if you just wait and do nothing, it installs the updates in the list. I just went back in after typing the above post and it was prompting me to reboot to complete the updates. It says installing 30 or 127 as I type this. That was very confusing and not intuitive at all? Planed that way on purpose? It looks to me like they are hoping people will just click the get started button without realizing what they are actually doing. I won't know until its finished if it snuck Windows 10 in the mix or not. It doesn't appear so, why do all those updates if its going to upgrade anyway.

    EDIT: so far so good, still on Windows 8.1.
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  3.    25 May 2016 #53

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSD View Post
    Looks like it's 'backdown time' again:

    Microsoft U-turn on 'nasty trick' pop-up - BBC News

    Now I'm waiting for the "oops, sorry - we made another mistake" official comment.
    What?!? You...you...you mean that it...it...wasn't all the fault of the users?
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  4.    25 May 2016 #54

    I noticed from the screenshot that the "for a limited time" bit has been removed from the free upgrade bit on the pop-up... a deliberate omission?... also wonder why they would change GWX so close to it 'supposedly' being nuked ... roll-on 30 July. Gonna be fun 'n games for the Win 7/8 die-hards if it's still around.
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  5.    25 May 2016 #55

    Superfly, I agree with you that most people who choose to stay with 7 or 8 are making a mistake. But tricking them into an upgrade isn't ethical.
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  6.    25 May 2016 #56
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    I haven't seen any mention of "limited time" so far in my adventure. Just that's its free.

    It looks like the upgrade to Windows 10 was in the list of updates? When I went to show all updates "important" was selected. I had to switch it to optional to see it. I thought they were all in the one list on the screen, my bad. I found it when I ran Windows update a second time. Only about half were installed the first time around. I ticked the box to select all and clicked the install button. If you go to show all updates there is an install option shown. On the main screen its not there. Anyway, I immediately got a downloading windows 10 message. I was able to cancel. That's when I took a better look at the list of updates. There it was way at the bottom under optional. At least its still in the optional list. For now anyway.

    Make one little slip up and welcome to Windows 10.
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  7.    25 May 2016 #57
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    It's not as cut and dried, switching to Windows 10, as some would think. If you have very basic computing skills, it could be risky doing it. It's almost certainly going to break your factory OEM recovery option for one thing. If it fails and your left with a non functional PC, that could be money out of pocket to pay somebody with the skill to recover it. There are plenty of valid reasons not to do it. And plenty of valid reasons to do it. To some, doing the upgrade to get the digital entitlement, and then rolling back sounds too risky. Especially if you have very old hardware.
    Then there are those that won't do it just because.
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  8.    25 May 2016 #58

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    Superfly, I agree with you that most people who choose to stay with 7 or 8 are making a mistake. But tricking them into an upgrade isn't ethical.
    Don't get me wrong, I detested it from the start... besides it's "strong-arm" tactics, it had(?still has) huge flaws technically with the upgrade process.

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I haven't seen any mention of "limited time" so far in my adventure. Just that's its free.

    It looks like the upgrade to Windows 10 was in the list of updates? When I went to show all updates "important" was selected. I had to switch it to optional to see it. I thought they were all in the one list on the screen, my bad. I found it when I ran Windows update a second time. Only about half were installed the first time around. I ticked the box to select all and clicked the install button. If you go to show all updates there is an install option shown. On the main screen its not there. Anyway, I immediately got a downloading windows 10 message. I was able to cancel. That's when I took a better look at the list of updates. There it was way at the bottom under optional. At least its still in the optional list. For now anyway.

    Make one little slip up and welcome to Windows 10.
    Thanx alpha, for taking the time and effort to provide some useful first-hand info
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  9.    25 May 2016 #59
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    What do we have here? GWX 2.0?


    What do we have here? GWX 2.0?
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  10.    25 May 2016 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I detested it from the start... besides it's "strong-arm" tactics, it had(?still has) huge flaws technically with the upgrade process.



    Thanx alpha, for taking the time and effort to provide some useful first-hand info
    Everything I posted here I also posted on the private Microsoft MVP Yammer network. There is a big long discussion going on there. Nothing official from Microsoft other than "we are aware of your concerns" though. Even if they said something I couldn't repeat it here, what is said in that yammer group is all under the NDA. I made it known I'm non to pleased with what's going on though. I'm just a small fish in a big sea though, not sure it will have much of an impact.
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