Windows 10: How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading

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  1.    25 May 2016 #41

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I clean installed Windows 7 with SP1. I wanted to see first hand if this sneak upgrade actually happens. My Windows 7 install will not update via Windows update. It just sits on checking for updates. It's been about 24 hours and its still checking? In the past it would start doing updates in the background in the first hour of use. While I would be changing settings. I'd do a reboot and get the do not urn off your PC message. Windows update for Windows 7 is royally screwed up. I'm just about to throw in the towel and start over with Windows 8.1. I am seriously thinking about resigning from the MVP program. This is not the Microsoft I want to be associated with.
    That happened to me too.
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  2.    25 May 2016 #42

    Geneo said: View Post
    That happened to me too.
    It's a big issue, from what I'm seeing on support forums. Some think it's deliberate, some think its just a side effect of moving some of the band width to supply updates for Windows 10. For me it never got past the "Checking for updates". If it was a bandwidth issue I would have expected the slowdown to happen on the actual download of the updates. I never got that far. It's been quit a while since I ran Windows 7. I don't remember it ever even being remotely close to this slow doing updates. Even on the first run?

    Anyway, I ditched it and swapped in a new install of 8.1. As I posted above, I hadn't even logged in for the first time when I got prompted to upgrade to Windows 10. It would appear, Requardless of what ISO you use, Microsoft can change the Out Of the Box Experience at will. Unless you install with no Internet connection. That complicates things for me. If I do it that way I can't verify my Microsoft ID or sync the saved instance for that PC. You won't activate either. Sooner or latter your going to have to connect anyway. Well most of us will.
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  3. Posts : 16
    Windows 7 Professional/Windows 10 Home
       25 May 2016 #43

    I'm just wondering - where are people getting this 'pop-up' from?

    Is it coming from a recently downloaded Windows Update? Or, is it coming from somewhere else?

    Just asking because I've never seen it. But, I also did a clean install of Windows 7 Professional recently and all I have installed after SP1 is security updates. No 'Optional' or 'Recommended' updates.

    I also don't use Internet Explorer - I 'removed' IE8 from Programs and Features prior to going online and I don't get offered any updates (IE11 or security updates) for IE at all. So, I didn't get the Windows 10 'ad' that was included in a recent IE11 security update either.

    Oh, I did install Windows Update Agent 7.6 and update KB3102810 offline first which caused Windows Update to find the 200+ post SP1 updates in a matter of minutes rather than hours.

    I also have used GWX Control Panel, Never10 and Spybot Anti-Beacon just to be on the safe side and I also run Windows 7 from a Standard User account for normal day to day use.

    I have Windows Update set to 'Check for updates but let me choose...' and it can only install updates from an Administrator account.
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  4.    25 May 2016 #44

    In my case it was during the actual install of Windows 8.1. Microsoft installed an update just before the first reboot where you log in for the first time. The popup in the article, is something different. It's a change to the Get Windows 10 App, that installs via Windows update on systems already running Windows 7 or 8.1. I never got that far before I was prompted to upgrade.

    I had also tried a clean install or Windows 7 with SP1. I saw no such screen during its install. It wouldn't update via Windows update though. I lost patience waiting for anything to happen after more than a day of checking for updates and wiped it to try Windows 8.1.
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  5.    25 May 2016 #45

    All I can say is IF you read the pop-up it says exactly what it is going to do. There is nothing sneaky about it.

    Based on your Windows Update Settings, this PC is scheduled to upgrade on " Day, Date, Time. Click here to change upgrade schedule or cancel scheduled upgrade”.

    The problem is people are either too stupid to read or understand what they did read.

    Seems pretty self explanatory to me.

    Clicking the Red X Box doesn't Activate anything. It closes the notification window that allows you to change or cancel the upgrade.
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  6.    25 May 2016 #46

    pcgeek11 said: View Post
    All I can say is IF you read the pop-up it says exactly what it is going to do. There is nothing sneaky about it.

    Based on your Windows Update Settings, this PC is scheduled to upgrade on " Day, Date, Time. Click here to change upgrade schedule or cancel scheduled upgrade”.

    The problem is people are either too stupid to read or understand what they did read.

    Seems pretty self explanatory to me.

    Clicking the Red X Box doesn't Activate anything. It closes the notification window that allows you to change or cancel the upgrade.
    They changed what happens when you close with the RED X. Now clicking the RED X is taken as an acceptance and a go ahead to do the upgrade. In the past doing that was taken as declining the offer.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36367221
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  7. Posts : 16
    Windows 7 Professional/Windows 10 Home
       25 May 2016 #47

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    In my case it was during the actual install of Windows 8.1. Microsoft installed an update just before the first reboot where you log in for the first time. The popup in the article, is something different. It's a change to the Get Windows 10 App, that installs via Windows update on systems already running Windows 7 or 8.1. I never got that far before I was prompted to upgrade.

    I had also tried a clean install or Windows 7 with SP1. I saw no such screen during its install. It wouldn't update via Windows update though. I lost patience waiting for anything to happen after more than a day of checking for updates and wiped it to try Windows 8.1.
    Ah, OK.

    Yes - if you're installing Windows 8.1 you have to watch out before the end of the install. Amongst all the 'ON/OFF' options there's an option to 'Download and install Important Updates automatically' (or words to that effect) and it is ON by default. It can be missed easily.

    I got caught by that a while back when I did an 8.1 install but all it did was put up an almost full screen pop-up saying "Microsoft recommends upgrading to Windows 10... etc." after W8.1 finished installing. I'm guessing that's now changed.

    The best option now is to install Windows 8.1 (and Windows 7) offline - I just turn my modem/router off - and change the Windows Update settings to 'Check for updates but let me choose...' before going online. (I can't go online with Windows 7 anyway during the install because W7 doesn't have drivers for the network adapter on my motherboard).
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  8.    25 May 2016 #48

    Microsoft u-turn on "nasty trick" pop-up

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36376962

    Nasty thing is though they will have got a few thousand to upgrade unwittingly, Microsoft really are nasty with this, why not just admit Windows 10 is not going as planned, if it was so good people would be eager to upgrade, Windows 7 had no adoption problems no auto upgrades and people had to pay !
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  9.    25 May 2016 #49

    CarlSD said: View Post
    Ah, OK.

    Yes - if you're installing Windows 8.1 you have to watch out before the end of the install. Amongst all the 'ON/OFF' options there's an option to 'Download and install Important Updates automatically' (or words to that effect) and it is ON by default. It can be missed easily.

    I got caught by that a while back when I did an 8.1 install but all it did was put up an almost full screen pop-up saying "Microsoft recommends upgrading to Windows 10... etc." after W8.1 finished installing. I'm guessing that's now changed.

    The best option now is to install Windows 8.1 (and Windows 7) offline - I just turn my modem/router off - and change the Windows Update settings to 'Check for updates but let me choose...' before going online. (I can't go online with Windows 7 anyway during the install because W7 doesn't have drivers for the network adapter on my motherboard).
    I was pretty sure that option was there after the fact. I just didn't feel like starting over to verify it. Plus, the whole point of my clean install was to see what Microsoft is up to in regards to the free upgrade. I wanted to do it like the average Joe would do it. I'm already running Windows 10 on all my PC's anyway. The only time I install Windows 7 or 8 is for testing purposes.
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  10. Posts : 16
    Windows 7 Professional/Windows 10 Home
       25 May 2016 #50

    Looks like it's 'backdown time' again:

    Microsoft U-turn on 'nasty trick' pop-up - BBC News

    Now I'm waiting for the "oops, sorry - we made another mistake" official comment.
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