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  1. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,394
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       10 Jun 2016 #281

    In a couple of years the MS marketers will demand that W10 be replaced.
    "We can't sell this. It's looked exactly the same for the last couple of years. You clowns haven't even changed the name!"

    After that we can expect another outbreak of PC Hijacking by MS.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,493
    Windows 10 Pro
       10 Jun 2016 #282

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Let me put it to you this way. If you just ignore it, and do nothing to stop it, eventually your PC will do the upgrade on its own. If you take the time to use this new decline option, no more nag screens and no upgrade when your not looking. As far as I can tell anyway. I'll have to leave my Windows 7 PC running to see if the prompts come back. So far they haven't. Time will tell. Based on my tests, your much better off just taking the time to decline the offer than trying to block each new GWX App that's installed via Windows update.
    If somebodies computer is set to automatically check for updates does the Win10 upgrade download in the background or does one have to manually check for updates first? If it automatically downloads in the background what happens if the user doesn't even know it's downloaded and doesn't do anything?
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  3.    10 Jun 2016 #283

    I have never believed that Windows 10 will be their last operating system, although they might keep the name. Suppose you bought a legal copy of Windows 10 on a DVD. Do you really believe that twenty years from now you will be able to install it on a new computer?

    And MS said from the beginning why they removed the Start Button from Windows 8. They wanted people to get used to the tile interface, so they would be more willing to buy Windows tablets and smart phones. That type of thinking explains why Android is the most popular smart phone OS, and why Windows 8 was so widely rejected.
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  4. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,239
    Windows 10 IoT
       11 Jun 2016 #284

    Winuser said: View Post
    If somebodies computer is set to automatically check for updates does the Win10 upgrade download in the background or does one have to manually check for updates first? If it automatically downloads in the background what happens if the user doesn't even know it's downloaded and doesn't do anything?
    In my testing, even if you do nothing, eventually the GWX App opens a Window on screen with the accept decline options. It also shows up if you open Windows update. If you just close the Windows with the X, it will upgrade. If you take the time to decline, it won't.
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  5. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,239
    Windows 10 IoT
       11 Jun 2016 #285

    Vince Massi said: View Post
    I have never believed that Windows 10 will be their last operating system, although they might keep the name. Suppose you bought a legal copy of Windows 10 on a DVD. Do you really believe that twenty years from now you will be able to install it on a new computer?

    And MS said from the beginning why they removed the Start Button from Windows 8. They wanted people to get used to the tile interface, so they would be more willing to buy Windows tablets and smart phones. That type of thinking explains why Android is the most popular smart phone OS, and why Windows 8 was so widely rejected.
    If the hardware is compatible you could do the install with your DVD, why not? The other option would be to download the latest ISO and then use your code with that. Product codes work across all builds. You don't need a new code when a new build comes out. This could all change between now and 20 years from now, but that's how it works at this moment.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,239
    Windows 10 IoT
       11 Jun 2016 #286

    zooburner said: View Post
    I think there is a bigger problem with perpetual upgrades, what happens when hardware is no longer supported ? Or an upgrade wont work with newer machines, will the update be clever enough to not keep updating ? Will update just break windows on older hardware?

    We will effectively have a different version of a universal windows running at least if you have numbered versions you can stay on the one that works, for as long as you use the system.
    You buy new hardware. And before everybody flams me, it's like that now. There are people currently running older versions of Windows because their hardware won't support the newer versions. When end of life comes for that version of Windows they either buy a new device or just keep on trucking with no updates or patches. It's up to the individual when they hit that wall. How that pans out with Windows 10 I have no idea? Only Microsoft knows that. How they plan to keep track of it I don't know? There are lots of Pros and Cons to this plan.
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  7. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 112
       11 Jun 2016 #287

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    You buy new hardware. And before everybody flams me, it's like that now. There are people currently running older versions of Windows because their hardware won't support the newer versions. When end of life comes for that version of Windows they either buy a new device or just keep on trucking with no updates or patches. It's up to the individual when they hit that wall. How that pans out with Windows 10 I have no idea? Only Microsoft knows that. How they plan to keep track of it I don't know? There are lots of Pros and Cons to this plan.
    You are exactly right. The difference today is that Windows 10 won't allow you to turn off the upgrades. That means at some point your hardware will be outdated but you can't stop the upgrade train. Most people with older OS's, pre- Windows 10, had third party security software that would take care of that end of things. Then you run your hardware until it no longer supports the programs you need, or the hardware died, and buy then you new hardware and it has the new OS.

    However, with the new model it could cause your hardware to still be viable but useless because it begins to lag support for the upgraded OS. I'm sure some marketing heads are assuming clueless users will just buy cheaper hardware more frequently. You know, so we can expose the toxic metals in our motherboards to landfills. (But I digress.) I think in reality the good news is that it may open an eventual market for a Google or some other yet to be conceived truly user friendly Linux based OS to roll in for those people who don't want to drop 900 bucks every three years on new hardware. It won't be a replacement for Windows, but they'll license some deal with Microsoft for legacy APIs. The new Microsoft has already shown a willingness to expand into that area. It would be a win/win for the company if it were to happen.

    Either that, or we'll start seeing consumer leasing programs similar to the corporate leasing programs in place now for computers.
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  8. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,493
    Windows 10 Pro
       11 Jun 2016 #288

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    In my testing, even if you do nothing, eventually the GWX App opens a Window on screen with the accept decline options. It also shows up if you open Windows update. If you just close the Windows with the X, it will upgrade. If you take the time to decline, it won't.
    What would happen if someone was to shutoff their computer before they get the popup or for some reason their computer restarted? The reason I'm asking is because some are saying that their computers where upgraded without their knowledge.
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  9. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 112
       11 Jun 2016 #289

    Winuser said: View Post
    What would happen if someone was to shutoff their computer before they get the popup or for some reason their computer restarted? The reason I'm asking is because some are saying that their computers where upgraded without their knowledge.
    It wouldn't really matter if we are talking just a popup. I've seen somewhere else that was tried and the popup came up again later. If you close it after it tells you it is scheduling it, I believe it's scheduled since you need an explicit no to opt out at that point.

    Life would only get serious if the upgrade was running. If you shutdown your computer while it was updating you would pretty much "brick" your machine and have to reinstall the OS and programs from scratch, and hopefully restore you data from backup. However, I don't think that's possible. I haven't seen or heard of an upgrade running with nothing saying so on the screen. Just the upgrade running while people were away or sleeping. What's more likely to happen is you walk in and see the upgrade countdown screen on your monitor. If you freak and shutoff the power then yea, you're hosed.
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  10. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 1,563
    Windows 10 Pro x64 RS 10586.586
       11 Jun 2016 #290

    Microsoft is really getting aggressive with their windows 10 upgrades.


    Microsoft is really getting aggressive with their windows 10 upgrades.

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