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  1.    10 Jun 2016 #271

    Quote Originally Posted by Vince Massi View Post
    Mr. Bill writes: "Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Microsoft is so out of touch with the average user today that they think everyone just knows Windows. So their market team made an ignorant error going this route, and they just don't hear all the public outcry that has been going on for six months."

    Well, these are the same geniuses who decided not to include a Start Button on Windows 8.
    It's not ignorance... rather arrogance - MS knows exactly their business plan for Win 10.

    So too was the Start button/screen with Win 8...

    I thought, however, the Insider program was a great way of pulsing the users, to get an idea what they want... maybe the feedback is reviewed more with a "what's best for us" mindset. Slightly off-topic but just thinking what might happen behind closed closed doors at Redmond.
    Being in corporate as long as I have, it's politics, is always a concern.
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  2.    10 Jun 2016 #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It's not ignorance... rather arrogance - MS knows exactly their business plan for Win 10.

    So too was the Start button/screen with Win 8...

    I thought, however, the Insider program was a great way of pulsing the users, to get an idea what they want... maybe the feedback is reviewed more with a "what's best for us" mindset. Slightly off-topic but just thinking what might happen behind closed closed doors at Redmond.
    Being in corporate as long as I have, it's politics, is always a concern.
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  3.    10 Jun 2016 #273
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    This new perpetual Windows will mean no more trying to sell the public the next version. You're just one Windows update away from the version everybody else is running. Once Windows 7 and 8 fade into the distance there will only be the constantly evolving Windows 10. Upgrades will be delivered via Windows update, which consumers can't run off. Another reason to try and get everybody to upgrade to the current Windows now. I like, the current iteration, of Windows 10. Problem is, I may hate it this time next year when if it ends up being radically different.

    The similar interface across all devices is alienating some. They don't want their PC acting/looking like a Phone and vice versa. I don't own a Windows Phone so I can't comment on that. I know I would be happy if my XBOX was more PC like than it is. It's likely closer to 10 Mobile than 10 on the PC. Feels restrictive to me compared to my PC. No GWX App on the XBOX though, lol.
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  4.    10 Jun 2016 #274
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    I wouldn't count on W10 being perpetual. MS show end of mainstream support for W10 as being October 2020 and end of extended support as October 2025.

    Technology marches on. Its just not viable (or even possible) to have a 'one size fits all' operating system.
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  5.    10 Jun 2016 #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooly View Post
    I wouldn't count on W10 being perpetual. MS show end of mainstream support for W10 as being October 2020 and end of extended support as October 2025.

    Technology marches on. Its just not viable (or even possible) to have a 'one size fits all' operating system.
    They have to show some date. I also expect the 10 to be dropped from the name at some point. As of right now that is their plan, continuous updates to Windows 10. It could all change at the next board meeting though.
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  6.    10 Jun 2016 #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    It could all change at the next board meeting though.
    Hehe Absolutely
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  7.    10 Jun 2016 #277
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    The continuously updated/upgraded approach does work though, IMHO. If you buy a Windows PC your paying for a license to run "Windows" on that device. And it will stay current via Windows update. No having to pay for any upgrade to the next version. For Microsoft it means only ever having to patch the current build. Even with Mobile, Desktop, XBOX versions, its just the one current version/build to be patched. Not counting Insider builds that is.

    The down side is if you don't like the changes Microsoft pushes forward. Stay on the old build and no more patches for you, I'm guessing?
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  8.    10 Jun 2016 #278
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    The down side is if you don't like the changes Microsoft pushes forward. Stay on the old build and no more patches for you, I'm guessing?
    You could end up with another thread like this one
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  9.    10 Jun 2016 #279
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  10.    10 Jun 2016 #280
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    The continuously updated/upgraded approach does work though, IMHO. If you buy a Windows PC your paying for a license to run "Windows" on that device. And it will stay current via Windows update. No having to pay for any upgrade to the next version. For Microsoft it means only ever having to patch the current build. Even with Mobile, Desktop, XBOX versions, its just the one current version/build to be patched. Not counting Insider builds that is.

    The down side is if you don't like the changes Microsoft pushes forward. Stay on the old build and no more patches for you, I'm guessing?
    I think there is a bigger problem with perpetual upgrades, what happens when hardware is no longer supported ? Or an upgrade wont work with newer machines, will the update be clever enough to not keep updating ? Will update just break windows on older hardware?

    We will effectively have a different version of a universal windows running at least if you have numbered versions you can stay on the one that works, for as long as you use the system.
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