Windows 10: How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading

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  1.    06 Jun 2016 #211

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I clicked Decline and it did the rollback. How far alone it is in the install is hard to say?
    How about the fact that while all of this prep and then rolling back is happening the computer is unusable?
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  2.    06 Jun 2016 #212

    I have a bizarre point to make.

    Decades ago, I wrote and taught a high school computer science course. At the time, a computer was defined as having input, output, memory, and a CPU. By that old definition, smart phones, iPads, tablets, etc., are computers.

    And by that definition, Chrome and Android, when combined, outnumber Windows devices. Somebody is getting scared, because persuasion isn't working.
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  3.    06 Jun 2016 #213

    There are lots of devices some would call toys, that others call a PC. Iot devices like the Raspberry Pi's etc for instance. My Pi can't do some of the things my PC can do but there are things I can do with my Pi that I can't do on my PC. It all depends on what your using that device for. PC to me, doesn't have the same meaning it did years ago.
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  4.    06 Jun 2016 #214

    Vince Massi said: View Post
    I have a bizarre point to make.

    Decades ago, I wrote and taught a high school computer science course. At the time, a computer was defined as having input, output, memory, and a CPU. By that old definition, smart phones, iPads, tablets, etc., are computers.

    And by that definition, Chrome and Android, when combined, outnumber Windows devices. Somebody is getting scared, because persuasion isn't working.
    Yes I agree,
    Maybe it's time to drop the PC label altogether though I agree with your definition. Personal Device would be a better term, in that case Windows is not the dominant OS by any means.

    Microsoft in my opinion by making Windows 10 effectively a device OS have opened themselves up to loosing even more overall market ground if you are going to have a do it all OS, then why not pick an alternative to Microsoft?
    Windows10 is by far the ugliest Device OS out there people on the whole simply do not like it, just look at the miserable market share of the Windows phone.
    As for a PC OS (desktop or large laptop device, which is still what most people mean when talking about a PC) then the same applies, Windows 10 is clearly meant for a tablet, then why not pick another OS ?

    Zoo
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  5.    06 Jun 2016 #215

    zooburner said: View Post
    Yes I agree,
    Maybe it's time to drop the PC label altogether though I agree with your definition. Personal Device would be a better term, in that case Windows is not the dominant OS by any means.

    Microsoft in my opinion by making Windows 10 effectively a device OS have opened themselves up to loosing even more overall market ground if you are going to have a do it all OS, then why not pick an alternative to Microsoft?
    Windows10 is by far the ugliest Device OS out there people on the whole simply do not like it, just look at the miserable market share of the Windows phone.
    As for a PC OS (desktop or large laptop device, which is still what most people mean when talking about a PC) then the same applies, Windows 10 is clearly meant for a tablet, then why not pick another OS ?

    Zoo

    To me at least, a PC does much more than say an android or chrome book. With a PC you can create new programs in multiple languages and you can't do that with a Chrome book or an android device. Even with a Raspberry Pi you can write code and create some programs in Python.

    So the term PC is still relevant today.
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  6.    06 Jun 2016 #216

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    There are lots of devices some would call toys, that others call a PC. Iot devices like the Raspberry Pi's etc for instance. My Pi can't do some of the things my PC can do but there are things I can do with my Pi that I can't do on my PC. It all depends on what your using that device for. PC to me, doesn't have the same meaning it did years ago.
    The Pi is amazing and for some in under developed countries it's a decent replacement for a PC.
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  7.    06 Jun 2016 #217

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    The Pi is amazing and for some in under developed countries it's a decent replacement for a PC.
    It has better specs than some desktop PC's I've owned in the past. Costs a lot less than those PC's did too. If you could run Windows 10 Mobile on it, instead of 10 IoT, I'd be running Windows on at least one of mine.
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  8.    06 Jun 2016 #218

    I prefer to call them devices. Microsoft, as far as I can tell, is leaning that way to. Lots of devices fit the description of a "PC", but to most, aren't really considered a PC. It's a grey area that just gives me a headache in my grey matter.
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       06 Jun 2016 #219

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    The Pi is amazing and for some in under developed countries it's a decent replacement for a PC.
    As someone who has been in the biz since they were called 'microcomputers' (pre-DOS, when the only MS product I'd used was MSBASIC on CP/M) I must say the Pi pretty much blows away anything I worked with in the first decade of my career!

    As far as 'PCs', that term was originally used to differentiate IBM and clones running DOS from other systems at the time, and after 84, you had PCs and Macs. Macs really weren't all that useful at first (The company I worked for at the time had one of the first models. also a Lisa with a HARD DRIVE OMG, and it was really a dog... but intriguing. Microsoft's efforts at a GUI were laughable for years). I think it's still useful to differentiate between desktop/laptop computers, tablets, and phones. The terms still have meaning, even though my desktop sits on the floor
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  10.    06 Jun 2016 #220

    Victek said: View Post
    How about the fact that while all of this prep and then rolling back is happening the computer is unusable?
    That is an issue. If you don't want Windows 10 in the first place, you shouldn't have to deal with the down time due to this trickery.
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