Windows 10: How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading

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  1.    04 Jun 2016 #190

    davidhk said: View Post
    In case it is not clear.
    It isn't me asking for help.
    Please click the link I posted should you want to advise the OP.
    It was perfectly clear - I just don't agree with the premise as I think 10 is better and if you don't like it you can revert.

    I'm not going to answer as I think s/he wouldn't like my suggestion (i.e upgrade and don't worry about it). Perhaps someone else with more experience of staying on 7 will help him/her. It is of course their right to install whatever software they feel like (subject to their ability to do so).
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       04 Jun 2016 #191

    What a feeble analogy. A EULA-derived software license is not a housing rental agreement. Actually, I would invert the analogy. My computer is my house, and Windows is the tenant. But it's still a feeble analogy.


    Barman58 said: View Post
    A landlord has the right to do anything they like to their property and given a fair notice evict the tenant, demolish the property and rebuild a new one on the site, or remove the tenant or change the terms of use .

    The user of Windows (the software not the hardware) agrees to the EULA when installing - this gives Microsoft the right to do anything they want to the licensed software whilst in use by the licensed user, If you do not like this then you should not agree to the EULA and not use windows, (BTW refusing the Windows 10 EULA during the so called forced upgrade automatically rolls back the install )
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  3.    04 Jun 2016 #192

    sgage said: View Post
    What a feeble analogy. A EULA-derived software license is not a housing rental agreement. Actually, I would invert the analogy. My computer is my house, and Windows is the tenant. But it's still a feeble analogy.
    I think it was a good analogy actually. I don't own my house and my landlord can (and has) asked me to leave as he has sold it to someone else.

    I do own my computer (the actual hardware) but I don't own the OS I run on it. I was aware of that when I clicked on "I accept" even if I didn't read all the bla-bla in the EULA.

    I could (I suppose) ask my tenant (Windows operating system) to leave. My tenant (OS) isn't bugging me so they are welcome to stay around in my house (my computer). I do have another tenant (a different OS) who only stays in my house when the other one is not there (dual booting). I'm getting a bit confused now (sorry) but I did think the analogy was a fair one.
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       04 Jun 2016 #193

    I guess the difference is that your shiny new tenant (Windows 10) isn't bugging you, but a lot of people find it to be rather ill-behaved and disrespectful. Whatever - it does get confusing

    lx07 said: View Post
    I think it was a good analogy actually. I don't own my house and my landlord can (and has) asked me to leave as he has sold it to someone else.

    I do own my computer (the actual hardware) but I don't own the OS I run on it. I was aware of that when I clicked on "I accept" even if I didn't read all the bla-bla in the EULA.

    I could (I suppose) ask my tenant (Windows operating system) to leave. My tenant (OS) isn't bugging me so they are welcome to stay around in my house (my computer). I do have another tenant (a different OS) who only stays in my house when the other one is not there (dual booting). I'm getting a bit confused now (sorry) but I did think the analogy was a fair one.
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       04 Jun 2016 #194

    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
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  6.    04 Jun 2016 #195

    groze said: View Post
    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
    Nothing wrong with being off topic Sir. I was given 6 months notice (which is more than fair) and I was only evicted at the end of the 3 year contract I signed up to in the first place. "Evicted" sounds a little strong actually. "Not-renewed as landlord sold property" sounds better.

    30 days would be tricky I think for anyone to find accommodation but perhaps I'm slow.

    I'm not sure how much notice I should give an unwanted OS. Perhaps none as it isn't a person. Perhaps I should consider the effort of all the developers though. Unfortunately I've been running Windows 10 since October 2014 and it will be a bit embarrassing to kick her out now after all this time as I probably should have noticed if I didn't like her before now....
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  7.    04 Jun 2016 #196

    groze said: View Post
    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
    That has nothing to do with contract law which the EULA falls under.
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  8.    04 Jun 2016 #197

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Well my 8.1 PC didn't do the upgrade overnight? Why I don't know?
    They're on to you.
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  9.    04 Jun 2016 #198

    Vince Massi said: View Post
    They're on to you.
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  10.    04 Jun 2016 #199

    Vince Massi said: View Post
    They're on to you.
    Maybe? Everything I posted here, I also posted on the Private Microsoft Yammer group.
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