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  1.    02 Jun 2016 #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluster Head View Post
    Microsoft makes blocking Windows 10 'Recommended' update near impossible
    Microsoft's push to update existing Windows 7 and 8.1 users is now becoming a shove, according to a new report.

    Instead of advising users they can cancel, reschedule or update immediately to Windows 10, the dialog box in the screen shot on The Register now advises users they can reschedule or start the update immediately. The Register reports that there's no more cancel option and no more Red X on the original prompt at all.
    Read more: http://www.zdnet.com/article/microso...ssible-report/
    This is exactly what happened to me with W8.0>W8.1. I had no option to cancel the W8.1 upgrade at all. In fact, by the time I got to the system, I had no option to delay either. I had to stay up into the wee hours of the night to babysit the upgrade, as I was not able to simply shut the computer down, and continue in the morning. Oh, and just to add insult to injury, the upgrade borked the 2 limited user accounts!
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  2.    02 Jun 2016 #162
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    My prediction is that on July 29th Microsoft will replace the words "Upgrade to" to "Preview" Windows 10 on all these screens "forcing" people to upgrade to Windows 10....
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  3.    02 Jun 2016 #163
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    So far not installing some of the following updates has helped.
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  4.    03 Jun 2016 #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post


    My prediction is that on July 29th Microsoft will replace the words "Upgrade to" to "Preview" Windows 10 on all these screens "forcing" people to upgrade to Windows 10....
    The Preview currently has the same activation requirements as the Consumer release. If you clean install it, and there is no Digital Entitlement it won't activate? Once the free upgrade period ends it won't matter if your installing the Preview or Consumer release, if there is no Digital Entitlement, you will have to enter a valid Product code to activate it. And that will likely have to be a Windows 10 product code. I'm pretty sure there will be no more installing and activating with Windows 7 or 8/8.1 Keys. That's my understanding of how things will shack out. We won't know 100% until after the 29th though.
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  5.    03 Jun 2016 #165
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    For anyone UK based there was a radio item broadcast today with a small feature on the W10 forced upgrade issue. Its at 12'30 in from the start. Available to listen on demand or as a podcast. The replies from MS were... erm interesting.

    BBC Radio 4 - You and Yours, Day hotels, Bank debt, Bin collections

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  6.    03 Jun 2016 #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by zooburner View Post
    I think the problem is that the upgrade has been scheduled in the first place, who gave permission for that ? sure you can say no (if you read the small print ) but no one is sure if a no means no anymore. and we have now seen that Microsoft clearly thinks a no means later.

    Why cant Microsoft simply put a 'No Thanks' button the same size and a permanent opt out, isn't that really simple, why shouldn't the no button be as big as the OK button ?

    How quickly we have become conditioned to believe that Microsoft has the right the schedule an upgrade in the first place, there will always be fans who defend Microsoft no matter what, who will be taken in by a ' shiny' new system that changes everything (even if it is just windows 8 stuffed in a start menu) and tiles which are clearly meant for mobile devices, amazing truly.

    It's a bit like Double glazing salesmen turning up at your door asking if you want new windows, that they will fit for free, so long as they can peer into them any time they want, and plaster the odd advert here and there that you can read 'for your convenience' , you politely say no and explain you are happy with your own windows.

    A few weeks later they call again and again you say no, and explain you are happy with your current windows'
    A few weeks later you notice there is a pile of window frames and glass in your back garden, and later they call again explaining that they have been put there to save time should you at any time want their new windows. You explain forcefully that again, you are clear that you do not want their new windows. You get them to remove the window frames, clean your garden up and remove all traces

    A few weeks later there is a knock at the door, there is standing the window man again saying he can pop round tomorrow to fit you new windows, you take one look, slam the door in his face and carry on with your day.
    You come home from work the next day, and you see the new windows fitted, upon enquiring why you are told ''well you didn't say no, slamming the door is just that it's not an explicit no''

    To further add insult to injury you are told, that if you have time you can have the old windows put back in so why are you even so angry, we have saved your old windows and can put it back..BUT they may or may not fit properly, it will take time during which you will not have access to your house and they may not fit the same as they did before.

    As for me I purchased windows 7 because it was Windows 7 , I don't want anyone changing my legitimately purchased software to what they want me to have.. simple as, nor do I want them scheduling an upgrade I clearly do not want. I simply want Microsoft to keep their promise they made when I purchased this great OS in the first place.

    I for one believe my computer is mine and mine alone, and no one will download multi GB files in the background without my explicit and clear permission. and that if I buy an OS with a term of support, then that is what I will get.
    Wow! That analogy was excellent (so good, I quoted the whole post). It still blows my mind how many people just accept these tactics as "oh, that's just the way it is." Maybe we should start doing like some current figures in the news and start making the company synonymous with an unfavorable characterization. I think someone else said it before, but maybe I think it's a good one. "Sleazy Microsoft."
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  7.    03 Jun 2016 #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    From what I've seen and done, that can't happen. The upgrade can start without user intervention, but will not finish unless you click at least one "accept" button. You have to agree to the EULA for it to finish. Refuse and it rolls back. People that are claiming it fully installed completely on its own are, IMHO, misinformed and or confused about what really happened. Until proven otherwise that's my opinion on that subject. I just don't/didn't see it happen. I'm still testing though. If I determine otherwise I'll be more than happy to eat my words.

    If anybody has a spare PC to do their own testing it would be great. A VM might work too, I just like using real hardware. I can just leave that one PC running too.
    alpha, I'm not sure if I missed anything, but you unchecked the actual Windows 10 upgrade box in the itemized Windows Update window, right? Have you tried leaving the box checked and automatic upgrades turned on? Might that be the difference? I'm grateful for you taking the time to try and give us some empirical evidence in the face of all the anecdotes. So far, empirically, my experience has been the same as pretty much everyone on this board (it only upgraded when I expressly did so), but there are a lot of claims to the contrary. I'd love to know definitively too.

    That being said, even if it is the case that people somehow agreed to the install unwittingly or unintentionally, that is still just unethical and sleazy, as previous posters have said.
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  8.    03 Jun 2016 #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by vfoster View Post
    Wow! That analogy was excellent (so good, I quoted the whole post). It still blows my mind how many people just accept these tactics as "oh, that's just the way it is." Maybe we should start doing like some current figures in the news and start making the company synonymous with an unfavorable characterization. I think someone else said it before, but maybe I think it's a good one. "Sleazy Microsoft."
    Don't think I agree with you there. Firstly making an analogy using Windows (when you are discussing Windows) makes it a bit confusing. I'd have gone for "Doors" or "Can I pave your yard mate I've just found a van full of Tarmac"

    Secondly the main point is that the guy didn't buy Windows 7. S/he most likely licensed it. So in actual fact it is not something you own (like the windows in your house or the doors or whatever) but rather something you rent like NetFlix or something. Generally an OS (especially if it is OEM) is not a thing that you can sell to someone else.

    If you don't want Windows 10 then don't - it is hardly compulsory. You just say no.

    If you want to slag off Windows 10 feel free but perhaps a Windows 10 website wouldn't be the best place.
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  9.    03 Jun 2016 #169
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    Now when I open Windows update, in the box that usually says windows is up to date, or checking for updates, it just says Upgrade to Windows 10. The only options are get started or a more info link. If I check the show all available updates option the only one listed is Upgrade to Windows 10, and its checked by default. This PC did that the first time I ran Windows update. Only now, If I uncheck it, close Windows update, then open it again it's check marked again. Anybody want to guess what's going to happen happens if I reboot? If I run Windows update manually, a defender update shows up but is not check marked for install, only the Upgrade to Windows 10 option is selected? So now i'm not going to get any Windows updates unless I go in every time and change the selections?
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  10.    03 Jun 2016 #170
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    I rebooted and nothing happened. I know what is going to happen if I leave this PC on overnight though. Windows update is going to do a scheduled update at 2AM and do the Windows 10 upgrade. And I have no easy way to stop it. I uncheck it and it rechecked, what ever happened to free choice there Microsoft? I'm going to leave that PC running overnight to see what happens. Then refuse it again, and see if anything changes. If it's going to try and update every time I reboot the PC, well, if I said what I want to id probably get banned.
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