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  1. Joined : Jun 2014
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       19 Jul 2016 #21

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    If you don't trust what MS is going to do why not make the switch to a Linux distribution... Like Mint?
    I said that I don't trust MS or any large company to be 100% honest about everything the say. My switching to Linux isn't going to change anything.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,431
    Windows 10 Pro
       19 Jul 2016 #22

    Edwin said: View Post
    MS has to be careful and honest and I think they are,
    What happened to all that free storage space they promised on OneDrive?
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  3.    19 Jul 2016 #23

    Winuser said: View Post
    What happened to all that free storage space they promised on OneDrive?
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  4. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 1,372
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       19 Jul 2016 #24

    Winuser said: View Post
    What happened to all that free storage space they promised on OneDrive?
    A man I worked for 35 years ago used the sentence: "Innkeeper, wine for my friends!" Refers to an exercise in generosity that can't be paid for.

    I believe that MS was surprised at the number of people who took full advantage of the generous initial OneDrive offer.

    When I was living in Arizona in the late 90s, the state had a subsidy program for alternative fuel vehicles. It ran out of money very quickly because too many people bought expensive SUVs that qualified because they did Flex Fuel. (I think that some of those people were state legislators.)
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  5.    19 Jul 2016 #25

    Edwin said: View Post
    With many large consumer based corporations, the ethics surrounding profit, marketing and consumer trust is often a delicate walk on egg shells. (Sometimes very thin egg shells!) MS has to be careful and honest and I think they are, but their marketing is so wrapped up in hype and secrecy that if often spawns rumors of mistrust and questionable behavior.
    I think one of the big problems with Microsoft is they do nothing to counter misinformation and rumours. Then once the misinformation and rumours spread and gain a foothold it starts to become fact, much along the lines of if a lie is repeated often enough, it eventually becomes the truth. Some things they could easily correct, or clarify, but they choose to remain silent instead, much to their detriment.

    One of the things I like about Elon Musk for example is when media have tried portraying Tesla in a bad light in the past and carried out deceitful tricks such as the journalist running the car round and round in a car park in order to deliberately try and run the battery flat prematurely, he gets his facts together, takes the bull by the horns and corrects the misinformation head on. Whereas Microsoft just ignore it and leave it to their users to defend their products, or they come up with some meaningless wishy-washy corporate speak statement. The problem is, the lack of defending results in the "Microsoft XYZ product sux" rhetoric that spreads around the internet/social circles and people being as gullible as they generally are, will believe it as fact.

    People questioning Microsoft in this very thread highlights a very real problem that Microsoft faces and will continue to face if they keep doing what they have been doing. People like myself can see what Microsoft do, are in tune with their way of thinking from an engineering perspective and get them (albeit they are moving too slow), but that means little if the masses don't. Apple CEO gets on stage, announces an over-priced, mediocre product and everyone goes crazy. Microsoft on the other-hand could announce they've invented a device that cures cancer and the media will accuse them of copying Apple, or spying on cancer patients, or something. Which will then be followed by a barrage of "Microsoft cancer cure sux!" comments in online comments sections and social media, some by astroturfers, some not. This is something Microsoft need to figure out how to overcome because I genuinely believe their intentions are good (even in spite of being a corporation), but what good is that if they can't get people to have more trust in them or see their products in the same way as they do, as Satya put it "from needing Windows, to choosing Windows, to loving Windows". It will be a constant uphill struggle, where only engineers in IT departments will have the understanding to cut through all the nonsense and actually get Microsoft's intentions.

    For sure there is a bias in media publications and influencers, where Microsoft are portrayed as the bad guys and Apple/Google the good guys, which to me is like living in an alternative Universe, where everything is reversed. A Universe where people will listen to a pop star/actor/sports personality, who get paid to promote products, more than listen to a doctor, a scientist, or an engineer. What I'm not sure of though is whether this is due of the nature of media as they are paid by promoting certain brands and influencing buying decisions (and therefore by default not promote their competitors, in order to not upset the advertising buyers) or because certain CEO's belong to a particular group who scratch each others backs.

    One thing is clear, Microsoft, can't get away with just sitting back like they used to, Apple and Google are too influential with other influential organisations cheerleading for them too. I think Microsoft need to engage people more, defend misinformation, show some real commitment to their products without the constant stop/starting/rebranding/breaking promises which destroys trust and spend more time and effort promoting themselves in a meaningful way, not just a few cobbled together anti-Google/anti-Apple videos, which do little to improve their image. Yeah and maybe buy off the influencers who are doing the influencing too, but somehow I think Google and Apple already have that already sewn up.


    Well, this post went on much longer than I intended.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 IoT
       20 Jul 2016 #26

    Free for the life of the device doesn't mean Microsoft won't earn future revenue from sales of Windows 10 by the way. They don't have to switch you to subscription to keep making money. If you go out right now and buy a device with Windows 10 preinstalled on it, Microsoft gets paid for that license on that device by the company selling it. When that device dies, and you replace it with another Windows device, they get licensing fees again. Etc. They have already stated quit clearly numerous times, that the free upgrade is free for the life of the device with no further fees for updates or upgrades.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...10-upgrade-faq
    The free upgrade is a full version of Windows (not a trial or introductory version) and is available until July 29, 2016. Once you upgrade, you’ll have Windows 10 for free on that device.
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  7.    20 Jul 2016 #27

    Justin Case said: View Post
    So... what happens with respect to Windows 10 licensing the day after? Someone high up in Microsoft indicated that the O/S won't go to subscription pricing but that's not the same as Microsoft saying it. I personally don't believe that Windows 10 will be the last version of operating system they'll ever sell.
    It will be the same as now except it won't be free to download. The installer will check to see if the Windows 10 was activated and if not it will ask if you want to purchase.
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  8.    20 Jul 2016 #28

    Winuser said: View Post
    I don't see MS charging a subscription for user to continue using Windows 10. I also think bug fixes and security patches will continue to by free. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime in the near future MS starts charging a subscription fee for those who want to continue adding new features to Windows 10.
    MS will never charge for new features. The reason they offered Windows 10 upgrade for free is to get as many people onto the same version as possible. Support would be a nightmare if MS chooses to fragment the OS.
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  9. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,931
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       20 Jul 2016 #29

    orlbuckeye said: View Post
    MS will never charge for new features. The reason they offered Windows 10 upgrade for free is to get as many people onto the same version as possible. Support would be a nightmare if MS chooses to fragment the OS.
    +1,, also by doing this MS will reduce the cost they incurred by having to support multiple OS's and in the long run it adds to the bottom line in a positive way.
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  10.    20 Jul 2016 #30

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Well, you have the option to use Linux. It's free.
    The problem Linux is free after you purchase Windows. Although Linux is available on PC's it's not advertised heavily and the OEM's don't want to support it.
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