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  1.    27 Mar 2015 #41
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    So because about 1% of the population uses multiple monitors and has more than a couple of windows open, we should have different interfaces, I hope not.
    I have done heaps of travelling,I use the lightest thing possible an iPad Mini, I'm In a hotel room not at home surrounded by monitors.
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  2.    27 Mar 2015 #42

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    So because about 1% of the population uses multiple monitors and has more than a couple of windows open, we should have different interfaces, I hope not.
    I have done heaps of travelling,I use the lightest thing possible an iPad Mini, I'm In a hotel room not at home surrounded by monitors.
    Hi there

    I can assure you now that nearly EVERY business of any size have people using TWO or more monitors. Just take Banking and Finance -- that's around 14% of the UK's ENTIRE GDP (whether an economy should be skewed that way is another matter for the Politicians and Voters to decide but today that's FACT). ALL these people will use multiple monitors.

    If you ignore the business sector you might just as well go back to selling goods "Off the back of a truck" in some dodgy street market under "Railway arches" or similar. I'm sure in the USA there are other HUGE sectors too where people are definitely using more than one monitor.


    Here's the stats for the UK (reasonably recent).
    http://www.cityam.com/article/financ...-cent-uk-s-gdp

    Cheers
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  3.    27 Mar 2015 #43
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    So you're saying a business can't use Windows 8 because it won't work on two monitors, I doubt that's the case. Also a lot of businesses are saying bring your own device, I'm sure they don't mean bring two monitors.

    Undoubtedly there will always be a usage case for multiple monitors and multitasking but I don't see what the interface has to do with that
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  4.    27 Mar 2015 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    So because about 1% of the population uses multiple monitors and has more than a couple of windows open, we should have different interfaces, I hope not.
    I have done heaps of travelling,I use the lightest thing possible an iPad Mini, I'm In a hotel room not at home surrounded by monitors.
    I can't help but think that figure of 1% was picked out of the air, it's a fact many do use 1 monitor however lots of people use more than 1 and the use of multiple monitors is increasing a lot.

    5 years ago, no one had multiple monitors where i work, we in IT started moving to 2 monitors and soon after so did many other people in the business. Today, probably a third of the business use multiple monitors and it's only a third due to getting more monitors and graphics cards (where needed) signed off with Finance.


    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    So you're saying a business can't use Windows 8 because it won't work on two monitors,
    I'm not entirly sure if that's what Jimbo said but for the record you can obviously use multiple monitors on Windows 8 (i have 3 at work on Win8 and 3 at home on Win10

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    I don't see what the interface has to do with that
    Agreed here... the interface from XP through to Win10 TP regardless of Single or Multiple monitors has never been an issue for me.
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  5.    27 Mar 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDobbsy1987 View Post
    I can't help but think that figure of 1% was picked out of the air, it's a fact many do use 1 monitor however lots of people use more than 1 and the use of multiple monitors is increasing a lot.

    5 years ago, no one had multiple monitors where i work, we in IT started moving to 2 monitors and soon after so did many other people in the business. Today, probably a third of the business use multiple monitors and it's only a third due to getting more monitors and graphics cards (where needed) signed off with Finance.




    I'm not entirly sure if that's what Jimbo said but for the record you can obviously use multiple monitors on Windows 8 (i have 3 at work on Win8 and 3 at home on Win10



    Agreed here... the interface from XP through to Win10 TP regardless of Single or Multiple monitors has never been an issue for me.
    You got me, I did pluck that out of thin air, but regardless, the percentage would be small, unless you're talking about large specialised business.

    With Windows 8 I was showing that you can have one interface across many devices, phone, tablet and PC, just because a lot of people rejected it doesn't mean it didn't work. A lot of people rejected it because they had to click to get on the desktop or they didn't know how to shut it down.

    I personally think Windows 8 was the way to go but I understand that Microsoft had to do something or risk losing a lot of business. Hopefully Windows 10 will get them back on track, even though I own some Apple products and Android, I look forward to the day when all my devices will be Windows 10 or thereabouts.
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  6.    27 Mar 2015 #46

    Well in business IT typically prevents users for doing things like installing software. They also can set up the system to the users to provide the users what they need and block what they don't need to do their job. Windows 10 does allow the user to choose but also it allows business to make the business make the choice what you can do.

    My organization standard is Windows 7 but our Windows server group have Windows 8.1 and they use 2 or 3 monitors.
    Last edited by orlbuckeye; 27 Mar 2015 at 07:25. Reason: add to post
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  7.    27 Mar 2015 #47

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Do I get a medal if I use the App Store!?!?

    Well, even if I should get a medal, I don't use the App Store because:

    1. I get weather from my TV or my smart phone.
    2. I get news from my TV and/or my radio. If I want to get news between the regular news hours, I can go to ABC, NBC, CBS.
    3. The Money app is useless to me because I just don't need it.
    4. I don't need a Travel App because I know the way to my sister's house and to my daughter's house.
    5. I don't need a Music App because I have all that I need in that area.

    I am not a power user, but I am no slouch either. BTW, they're no longer called Metro . . . it's now Modern Apps. However, that said, it's not that the Modern Apps aren't beneath me . . . I just have no reason to use them. And it seems like I'm right there with Unifex.
    I bet someday you will use a Metro app. Metro apps are basically templates that run over a web browser. They are designed to for simples tasks. Example: Directv's NFL Snnday Ticket. I click on the tile and the screens pop up with the games I want and I click the game with my HDMI cable connected. Without the app i have to go to the DirecTv website and find the link for NFL sunday ticket click on it and then login then pick the game. That is the advantage in Metro, Modern or universal apps. They take simple tasks using a web browser into a script for one task functions. In business Kronos time and attendance software allows managers to run a desktop app that manages employees buy defining them by skills to find replacements when workers call in sick. The users that are mobile have a client that uses GPS to clock in and the manager can view the location of where the users logged in. There are numerous ways the mobile apps and be integrated into a app client server type environment.
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  8.    27 Mar 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by orlbuckeye View Post
    I bet someday you will use a Metro app. Metro apps are basically templates that run over a web browser. They are designed to for simples tasks. Example: Directv's NFL Snnday Ticket. I click on the tile and the screens pop up with the games I want and I click the game with my HDMI cable connected. Without the app i have to go to the DirecTv website and find the link for NFL sunday ticket click on it and then login then pick the game. That is the advantage in Metro, Modern or universal apps. They take simple tasks using a web browser into a script for one task functions. In business Kronos time and attendance software allows managers to run a desktop app that manages employees buy defining them by skills to find replacements when workers call in sick. The users that are mobile have a client that uses GPS to clock in and the manager can view the location of where the users logged in. There are numerous ways the mobile apps and be integrated into a app client server type environment.
    I don't disagree with you at all. At the moment, I don't need anything from the Store. That doesn't mean it won't change, though.

    However, both examples you give are not for me. I let my Hubby, who won't touch a computer, watch the sports stuff on TV and I have long been out of the business world. BTW, DirecTV keeps trying to get us to subscribe to Sports stuff, but he says he doesn't need more than he has.

    I have tried the Office for Windows 10 (Word, Excel and PowerPoint) and, limited as it is, think it's absolutely great that it's there for those who need it. I have a friend to whom I provide computer support who will be in Heaven with those.

    I support senior citizens in my subdivision and I'm pretty sure I'll be helping them to upgrade to Windows 10 when the time comes. And yep, that will probably mean helping them get what they want from the Store.
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  9.    27 Mar 2015 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Oops! I be a tad bit behind the times. When did they change them to Universal?
    Well, actually no. Universal Apps are the apps that work across all devices (including Windows Phone). There are three categories.

    Universal Apps (part of the Universal App Platform, or UAP you may see it referred to).
    Windows Apps (these are store apps)
    Windows Desktop Apps (these are Win32 applications).
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  10.    27 Mar 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    A lot of people also forget that many "Classical" applications need either multi -Windowed operation or the use of more than one monitor. For example imagine translating text from one document into two other languages -- with only one window or a single full screen it becomes hideous. - Same issue for example if you are looking at an Engineering drawing and you want to select a small piece of it - you can show this on a separate monitor while referencing it on another screen .
    Of course you need the right tools for the job. If your job requires two windows open side by side, you either need a screen large enough to do that (using window tiling, or aero snap) or more than one monitor. Windows 8.1 and 10 work fine with both situations. Even with Metro apps, since you can have metro apps open on more than one screen, or you can have them split. (You couldn't have apps open on more than one screen in Windows 8, but this was added in 8.1).

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I'm also sure loads of people copy bits of text / pictures / etc from one application into another say from EXCEL into POWERPOINT.
    Certainly, but this doesn't require having both apps open. In fact, many people get confused by that situation because they aren't sure which app they're pasting into.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Multiple web sites being open concurrently is also a good idea when comparing things like Airline prices and flights.
    Certainly, there are workflows where that may be beneficial, but for the most part you can just toggle between windows to compare.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Mobile phones and small touch devices operate an "App" as generally a single task --real work on a desktop is rarely that simple so it's BONKERS to pretend it is and create an identical interface --it just won't work.
    Mobile phone screens are usually too small to deal with more than one thing. However, on larger mobile phones, like the Samsung Galaxy Note, and even the Galaxy S, they have the ability to show more than one app on screen at the same time. This is not something that's impossible to do in a mobile phone... it's simply a function of screen real-estate.

    http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ho...SGH-I337ZWAATT

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    For simply wanting to watch a video, simple surfing / emailing or messing about on "Farcebook" etc you don't really need a computer at all -- slabs can handle that quite easily or even the larger sized smartphones - iPhone 4/5, Samsung S4/5/6 etc. Here obviously a single full screen works best.
    You have been arguing this for a long time, and it's simply not true. There's nothing inherently "single task" about a phone or tablet, and both Android and Windows have developed UI's to adapt to multitasking on these interfaces. Again, it's more about screen size than the fact that its mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I think the realisation that a desktop computer IS NOT A MOBILE PHONE and is a separate tool in its own right that needs its own proper interface and GUI is finally getting through to some of those pea sized brains in Redmond.
    You're right. A desktop computer is not a mobile phone, nor is a mobile phone a desktop computer... THEY ARE BOTH STANDARDIZED COMPUTING DEVICES and can be used for any purpose. There is no reason whatsoever that a UI cannot work for both environments.


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The Store concept at at Apple is very different -- most people don't have MANY macbooks- usually a SINGLE computer -- now for Windows machines - many people have several if not 1000's in corporate networks. Having to use the Store to download and install programs on loads of computers is simply a total waste of time and bandwidth - not only that unlike Apple with essentially unified hardware windows machines come in a HUGE variety of hardware.
    Every time you talk about about this stuff jimbo, you typically just show that you haven't bothered to see if MS already provides a solution to the problem you have built up in your head. Look up AppLocker. It addresses your issue of corporate app usage. It's built into Windows Enterprise. Microsoft provides local servers and the ability for enterprises to side-load applications. You're arguing things based on your consumer experience with Windows without ever having even looked at the corporate support tools for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    The Store also doesn't contain VERSIONS so if your update goes wrong you can't roll back if you don't have the install file or are unable to get it. I'm sure people especially with ANDROID phones have had issues when apps have been updated and don't work - and you can't get back the previous version. People on this very Forum have complained about the lack of control with automatic updates on build 10041 - especially with things like hardware drivers.
    And again, things are different for the enterprise. I suggest you actually look into the tools available. As for 10041, you know as well as everyone else that this is only the case in Technical Preview.
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