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  1.    21 Mar 2015 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    EXACTLY -- imagine the outcry if when buying a Car it said you could only fill up at SHELL gas stations or not drive after 15:00 each day.
    How is that even remotely similar?

    First, The OEM isn't telling you that you can't put a different OS on there. They're just putting in place a mechanism that prevents unsigned OS's from being used (and there are Linux OS's that are signed). The equivalent in your scenario would be if the car company placed a special gas nozzle that would only open for Gas vendors that were approved to put gas in that vehicle.

    And that's certainly within the right of car company to do that if they wanted to, but if they did.. they might not sell very many cars. That's what a free market is about, the consumer choosing to buy or not buy based on their needs.

    But you're really missing the point here. You're complaining because Microsoft is no longer putting a restriction in place on the OEM's, not that Microsoft is forcing the OEM to remove it. Now, the choice of whether to have this is between you and the OEM, not between you and Microsoft.
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  2.    21 Mar 2015 #12
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    @Mystere

    Microsoft, is telling the OEM it is ok not to let the end not have a choice. My dell system I can't even switch my hard drive to legacy (Not talking about other legacy settings) to install windows 98se. @jimbo45 did make an error, yes they can restrict people to daylight driving. Here is a better analogy. I have a license to drive a car and use an operating system. I also have a right to soup up or unsoup a car anyway I want, I should be able to soup up or unsoup my computer as well by modifying bios or any other setting or hardware that outside of the Operating system.




    All,

    The issue I am more concerned about is avg rescue disk, partition wizard or Macrium reflect working outside of windows operating system.

    I don't know what would happen if you delete the efi partition with secure boot on outside of or even inside of windows using grub or mini-partition wizard. I know you may not be able to boot to windows, would you still be able to install or boot up to a Linux distro and replace windows 10 or would your computer become a paperweight.
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  3.    21 Mar 2015 #13
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    If the OEMs do decide to remove the secureboot switch that's going to be a problem for anyone wanting to upgrade their video cards. When I upgraded from my on board video card to a Nvidia GeForce card I had to disable secureboot.
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  4.    21 Mar 2015 #14
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    My experience.. Well, I went to upgrade from 9926 to 10041 and I ran into an issue because my BIOS was not set up for Secure Boot. The new build would not install. So, I was able to change the settings in the BIOS so I could use Secure Boot and the update worked just fine.

    I hope this in not an issue for others.
    Jeff
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  5.    21 Mar 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    If the OEMs do decide to remove the secureboot switch that's going to be a problem for anyone wanting to upgrade their video cards. When I upgraded from my on board video card to a Nvidia GeForce card I had to disable secureboot.
    It just means that the NVidia and ATI will have to get their boot loaders signed, or they will have to use the EFI mechanisms, such that Dell uses (it installs the update to the special partition, boots the signed EFI loader which runs the update).

    But regardless, once again, if you don't like this.. just don't buy hardware that prevents you from disabling it. If enough people do that, OEMs will get the message.
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  6.    21 Mar 2015 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    It just means that the NVidia and ATI will have to get their boot loaders signed, or they will have to use the EFI mechanisms, such that Dell uses (it installs the update to the special partition, boots the signed EFI loader which runs the update).

    But regardless, once again, if you don't like this.. just don't buy hardware that prevents you from disabling it. If enough people do that, OEMs will get the message.
    That will work for new hardware. How are the going to do that with the hardware that's already on the market? If it does happen I see a opportunity for some lawyers to make some big $$$$.
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  7.    21 Mar 2015 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    That will work for new hardware. How are the going to do that with the hardware that's already on the market? If it does happen I see a opportunity for some lawyers to make some big $$$$.
    Your logic escapes me. Hardware that's already on the market isn't at issue, since it already has the option that was previously mandatory.
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  8.    21 Mar 2015 #18
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    Try to find a video card on the market today that is UEFI ready without updating it's bios. If you can't turn off secure boot you can't boot your computer.
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  9.    21 Mar 2015 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Try to find a video card on the market today that is UEFI ready without updating it's bios. If you can't turn off secure boot you can't boot your computer.
    The video card doesn't have to be UEFI ready, it's the *UPDATE PROGRAM* that has to be UEFI ready. I don't know of a single video card on the market that won't work in a machine that has UEFI out of the box.
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  10.    21 Mar 2015 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The video card doesn't have to be UEFI ready, it's the *UPDATE PROGRAM* that has to be UEFI ready. I don't know of a single video card on the market that won't work in a machine that has UEFI out of the box.
    Have you tried installing a video card in a computer that has UEFI and Secure Boot enabled? I did and the computer wouldn't boot. I had to remove the card to get my computer to boot. After searching in Google I found out I had to disable Secure Boot and enable legacy bios to get the card installed. You are right, the card doesn't have to be UEFI ready but your not going to boot your computer if you can't turn off Secure Boot.
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