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  1.    18 Apr 2016 #1
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    When Windows 10 breaks, don't just blame Microsoft


    It's often easy to blame Microsoft for every flaw and failing in our Windows update experience. The fault, dear reader, may not be in the updates, but in our own installs.

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    We glory in our righteous indignation when we think the giant has stumbled or mistreated us by giving us a free upgrade that's not perfect.

    Well, I finally did it. I upgraded one of my Windows 7 machines to Windows 10. I know. I know. Back in July I said I wasn't going to do it. But I did.

    My four year old, super-honkin' Sager laptop -- which we now use as a media center, conferencing tool, and writing machine -- was starting to act up. This is our most actively used machine, so that was a problem.

    My first thought was to do a clean Windows 7 install, but I just didn't want to take the time to reconfigure all the software on this very well used machine. I also didn't want to go through the 300 or so updates a fresh Windows 7 install would require. So I decided to see if an in-place Windows 10 install would smooth out the rough edges.

    Despite the laptop's manufacturer warning that Windows 10 is not supported for the four year old machine, and offered no Windows 10 drivers on its support site, I decided to take the plunge and give it a try. If it didn't work, I planned to fall back to a fresh Windows 7 install.

    Following Ed Bott's advice, I ran the official compatibility checker, which contradicted what the laptop's manufacturer said, and informed me my machine was good to go. Actually, Ed helped a lot with this article. I'll tell you more about that in a bit.

    The upgrade process itself went relatively smoothly, except for a period where the updater got hung up on checking for updates. I just let it sit for an hour. When I came back, it had started its run. After about two hours, the checking for updates process completed. About a half hour after that, the whole upgrade was done.

    The biggest thing I noticed was just how much like Windows 7 the system felt. In fact, I didn't tell my wife I had done the upgrade and she went on using the machine for a few hours without noticing any difference at all.

    Can you imagine how much more successful Microsoft would have been with Windows 8 if they'd made it that seamless an upgrade?


    Read more: When Windows 10 breaks, don't just blame Microsoft | ZDNet
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  2.    18 Apr 2016 #2
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Poole Dorset UK
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    Windows 10 x64 Home Version(1709) Build16299.125

    Just found a link to this on Face Book
    Read it all on the link that was posted which is same as yours
    Hopefully now Microsoft wont get the blame for everything that goes wrong
    I always read through 2-3 times before I even think about installing any apps or extra's
    That way you don't end up having problems
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  3.    18 Apr 2016 #3
    Join Date : Apr 2016
    South Africa
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    Win 10

    They offered the o/s. I believed them. I spent money (talking about mobile here). If it is full of bugs (which it is) - THEY can fix it not me.
    It rests with them
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  4.    18 Apr 2016 #4
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    Trnava
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    10.4 Home 1709 x64

    Rofl, they picked a nice story, they should pick something more related, when 10 is persuading users to install or:
    10 downloaded without my consent, when I wanted to revert back, it said, it had already deleted previous Windows.
    MS policy: blame the user, blame the user, blame the software, blame the hardware, well maybe it is our fault after all.
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  5.    18 Apr 2016 #5
    Join Date : Oct 2015
    Chandigarh,India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Can't agree more.I just saw a thread where person was complaining that due to MS upgrade system the upgrade is half baked in his computer.It looks like Windows 10 everywhere but the hard disk shows label as Windows7_OS and Control panel also shows Backup and restore(Windows 7)
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  6.    18 Apr 2016 #6
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    When it comes to laptops, all bets are off... The OP got lucky and I'm glad for him! Desktops are far more reliable/predictible, but it is possible to buy even desktops today with wonky custom devices requiring custom drivers which the OEM decides to supply once and only once (and not for Windows 10.) Best option: build your own desktop--handpick each component according to tier 1 companies with great driver-support track records. Win10 is a snap on such systems.

    If you know nothing about building your own desktop--retired and at home these days I use nothing but my own desktop as I have a zero need to be mobile any longer--you might want to start here: Pick Parts, Build Your PC, Compare and Share - PCPartPicker



    I don't agree with some of the suggestions, but it's a great place to start if you don't know what you are doing but have the desire to learn.
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  7.    18 Apr 2016 #7
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    Raleigh, NC, USA
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Best option: build your own desktop--handpick each component according to tier 1 companies with great driver-support track records. Win10 is a snap on such systems.
    Agree! Then if a Windows update comes along and breaks something, you know exactly where to place the blame.
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  8.    18 Apr 2016 #8
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    Poole Dorset UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sumit Dhiman View Post
    Can't agree more.I just saw a thread where person was complaining that due to MS upgrade system the upgrade is half baked in his computer.It looks like Windows 10 everywhere but the hard disk shows label as Windows7_OS and Control panel also shows Backup and restore(Windows 7)
    yes I have that on mine but mine had 8.1 before I upgraded to 10.
    When I clicked on link for windows 7 it came up that 7 was not installed as backup
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  9.    18 Apr 2016 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    There are plenty of blames to go around, for both the users and Microsoft.
    MS is not going to get away scott-free.
    Last edited by davidhk; 18 Apr 2016 at 14:34.
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  10.    18 Apr 2016 #10
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    I think it's a two way street, MS are in no way blameless. Even my desktop which I got a few months back and came with Windows 10 pre installed / clean I encounter some annoyances. I think it's the modern apps which are most prone to causing grief, at least in my experience. But I know a lot of people with machines (predominant Windows 7) which are in a horrible state. Either through malware or what I see is many people don't realise or appreciate auto updates are on, they go to turn off and the machine starts running through the updates - they don't want to leave it on or wait so they will force power it off. And I reckon that causes lots of problems. The machine isn't really in a fit state to move onto the next OS upgrade. Unfortunately most people don't want to be bothered with all the endless updates - it's not just Windows, when you factor in flash, gpu drivers, other hardware drivers, then you have phones like iOS pushing out updates every time the wind changes and it gets very tiresome. But interruption of auto updates has the potential to hose many machines. But like I say people don't want to wait for them, especially if MS servers are having an off night and the update sits their waiting for hours (Windows 7 patch Tuesday like this a lot in recent months). Personally I always worry that I'll set my machine to shut down when something is trying to update in the background but is transparent to me, eg, office 365 in midst of updating itself and I'll turn it on next day and find office not working because of it. That's just an example, fortunately it's never happened.
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