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  1.    18 Mar 2015 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
    Posting the hack is against forum rules I would imagine,
    But iphones have already been hacked taking a finger print off of one and accessing the device,
    Not easy but doable with the right equipment but it's much easier to cut off fingers
    I believe the "hack" in question was for the kid to press the iPhone sensor against the "security expert" fathers finger while he was asleep. http://www.business2community.com/te...phone-01084983

    Anyway, for your method (I put it in bold), which presumably isn't against forum rules, what would you recommend? A sharp knife? Scissors? Do you have to keep them warm?

    All of these "fingerprints are not secure" claims are FUD. Do you honestly thing multiple governments would use them for border control if you could fake it with a bit of scotch tape stuck on a carrot like in the movies? Sorry if I've mislaid my tin-foil hat today...
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  2.    18 Mar 2015 #22
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    The fun stuff as now begun. . .I know, this, I have read this, A guy told me, my girl friend's mother had this happen to her. . . get out the ice cream, the popcorn, a couple of beers (or whatever you may drink) because here comes the B.S. . . .
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  3.    18 Mar 2015 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    I believe the "hack" in question was for the kid to press the iPhone sensor against the "security expert" fathers finger while he was asleep. http://www.business2community.com/te...phone-01084983

    Anyway, for your method (I put it in bold), which presumably isn't against forum rules, what would you recommend? A sharp knife? Scissors? Do you have to keep them warm?

    All of these "fingerprints are not secure" claims are FUD. Do you honestly thing multiple governments would use them for border control if you could fake it with a bit of scotch tape stuck on a carrot like in the movies? Sorry if I've mislaid my tin-foil hat today...
    Like with most things, there are commercial, professional, and government level security versions of these devices. Often times, the government mandates "lower security" versions for commercial implementations. And the Government level versions usually have much more sophisticated systems that are much more expensive, and more difficult to bypass.

    Your example of immigration is not the same thing as a phone or PC. There is an immigration official standing in front of you, who can observe you and notice if you have anything weird affixed to your hand. They also have monitors and can see the identity of the person who is supposedly being given access and compare the photo to the actual person. This is a multi-factor authentication using a human being for verification. Fingerprints are used simply to speed up the process.
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  4.    18 Mar 2015 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    The fun stuff as now begun. . .I know, this, I have read this, A guy told me, my girl friend's mother had this happen to her. . . get out the ice cream, the popcorn, a couple of beers (or whatever you may drink) because here comes the B.S. . . .
    Lee, that is so unfair. My wife's mothers cousin definitely said to my second cousin uncle twice removed that (without a doubt) if you have a $400K 3D printer you can definitely chop someones finger off, stick it in a pot of oil, dance the fandango and out pops a gremlin. So there - it is true.

    Best I go back to XP now in a sulk. Or Linux if you prefer.
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  5.    18 Mar 2015 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Your example of immigration is not the same thing as a phone or PC. There is an immigration official standing in front of you, who can observe you and notice if you have anything weird affixed to your hand. They also have monitors and can see the identity of the person who is supposedly being given access and compare the photo to the actual person. This is a multi-factor authentication using a human being for verification. Fingerprints are used simply to speed up the process.
    No, Mystere there is not an immigration officer standing in front of you. You have obviously not been a UAE resident.

    You have a card which has your retina and fingerprint scan and it is compared in the booth. It takes about 3 seconds and off you go. Sure they have cameras and may pull you aside (if they don't like the look of you for some reason) but if your bio-metrics match your card why would they bother?
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  6.    18 Mar 2015 #26
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    This article presents interesting alternatives to using a password -- but if MS really wants the hordes of Win7 users to "upgrade" to Win10, they will have to retain password usage -- for a long time! If fingerprint readers, or face scanners, become readily available, at low costs, and are extremely reliable and accurate, this may encourage long-time Win7 users to go out and buy the add-ons for Win10.

    That said, this smells of yet another of MS's contradictory stands -- they want huge numbers of folks to embrace their new products but then, they are eager about tossing the "legacy" folks under the bus. As in ... we want all you Win7 folks to jump on the Win10 bandwagon, so we're giving it to you for free -- but, BTW, we're taking away your "old-fashioned" use of passwords and forcing you to buy new, unproven, unreliable equipment because we're really only interested in having folks that have the newest and latest hardware.
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  7.    18 Mar 2015 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    This article presents interesting alternatives to using a password -- but if MS really wants the hordes of Win7 users to "upgrade" to Win10, they will have to retain password usage -- for a long time! If fingerprint readers, or face scanners, become readily available, at low costs, and are extremely reliable and accurate, this may encourage long-time Win7 users to go out and buy the add-ons for Win10.

    That said, this smells of yet another of MS's contradictory stands -- they want huge numbers of folks to embrace their new products but then, they are eager about tossing the "legacy" folks under the bus. As in ... we want all you Win7 folks to jump on the Win10 bandwagon, so we're giving it to you for free -- but, BTW, we're taking away your "old-fashioned" use of passwords and forcing you to buy new, unproven, unreliable equipment because we're really only interested in having folks that have the newest and latest hardware.
    I'm pretty sure Microsoft is one of the only companies not throwing people under the bus, now Google and Apple there's a couple of companies who don't mind throwing people under the bus.
    Go and have a look at Macrumors and see what Tim Cook has to say on the subject.
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  8.    18 Mar 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    No, Mystere there is not an immigration officer standing in front of you. You have obviously not been a UAE resident.

    You have a card which has your retina and fingerprint scan and it is compared in the booth. It takes about 3 seconds and off you go. Sure they have cameras and may pull you aside (if they don't like the look of you for some reason) but if your bio-metrics match your card why would they bother?
    There's little difference between an officer standing in front of you and one watching a camera that's in your face.
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  9.    18 Mar 2015 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    There's little difference between an officer standing in front of you and one watching a camera that's in your face.
    Depends what you are guilty of.
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  10.    18 Mar 2015 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    This article presents interesting alternatives to using a password -- but if MS really wants the hordes of Win7 users to "upgrade" to Win10, they will have to retain password usage -- for a long time! If fingerprint readers, or face scanners, become readily available, at low costs, and are extremely reliable and accurate, this may encourage long-time Win7 users to go out and buy the add-ons for Win10.

    That said, this smells of yet another of MS's contradictory stands -- they want huge numbers of folks to embrace their new products but then, they are eager about tossing the "legacy" folks under the bus. As in ... we want all you Win7 folks to jump on the Win10 bandwagon, so we're giving it to you for free -- but, BTW, we're taking away your "old-fashioned" use of passwords and forcing you to buy new, unproven, unreliable equipment because we're really only interested in having folks that have the newest and latest hardware.

    Finally, someone with my view that can explain it better than I can. Here is a big Mark Phelps
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