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  1.    16 Mar 2015 #21

    Hi there

    Linux Updates from Repositories are fine --usually there's just a few MB for updating as most people update specific packages.

    My reference to torrents was for people who wanted say entire DVD's etc of a distro -- even OPENSUSE has a torrent stream for downloading (optional) but it keeps the load on the servers minimal - remember a lot of Linux distros have many people working on them who donate their time totally free to the community to keep as much as possible open source.

    Some HUGE companies like Red Hat also willingly help out here --the CENTOS system is the same as the RHEL enterprise version that is installed on 100,000's of servers around the world.

    Maybe Ms is finally joining the "Real Planet". !!!! -- actually it's WIN WIN since the entire load on Ms's servers will be greatly reduced and more people can get the next releases in a timely fashion too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 x64 Insider
       16 Mar 2015 #22

    I have more than one pc in my local network. And It would be nice to get updates on one pc and distribute it to other pcs thus decreasing internet traffic. similar to enterprise WSUS setups. if it uses p2p I'm totally fine if I can setup what sources I want to use and where my pc can distribute updates.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       16 Mar 2015 #23

    Here is some more information

    Windows 10 release date, specs and pricing announced | IT PRO

    the P2P model could raise security issues, with users potentially downloading updates from PCs whose safety hasn’t been verified by Microsoft.
    I glad I am not the only one that thought using P2P could be a security issue.

    However, I did read another article that will allow you to choose windows updates over P2P. Most likely because some isp block or throttle P2P connections.
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  4. Joined : Mar 2015
    California
    Posts : 19
    Windows 7 64-bit
       16 Mar 2015 #24

    24c said: View Post
    MAYBE - MS will stagger the distribution of 10 based on the OS being upgraded.
    EX:
    month/week A - all Win 8 upgrades.
    month/week B - all Win 7 upgrades.
    Nope. Not seeing it.

    They're going to want to go day and date for marketing reasons. And if they can't handle the load in 2015, they'll be laughed off the Internet. Hence the reason why they're implementing a bittorrent-style protocol option on the backend to spread the load.
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  5. Joined : Mar 2015
    California
    Posts : 19
    Windows 7 64-bit
       16 Mar 2015 #25

    groze said: View Post
    Here is some more information

    Windows 10 release date, specs and pricing announced | IT PRO



    I glad I am not the only one that thought using P2P could be a security issue.

    However, I did read another article that will allow you to choose windows updates over P2P. Most likely because some isp block or throttle P2P connections.
    Anybody who knows anything at all about bittorrent knows that it can't be hacked from the individual machines that make up the peers.

    Remember the last time the bittorrent protocol was hacked? Oh right.. never. Its been around for 15 years and has transferred billions of files. Not once has it ever been hacked, because you can't get past the hash-checking. It will automatically detect that you've changed the pieces its received from you in some way and reject the download, get them from someone else, and keep on trucking.
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  6. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,939
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       16 Mar 2015 #26

    chrisa said: View Post
    Anybody who knows anything at all about bittorrent knows that it can't be hacked from the individual machines that make up the peers.

    Remember the last time the bittorrent protocol was hacked? Oh right.. never. Its been around for 15 years and has transferred billions of files. Not once has it ever been hacked, because you can't get past the hash-checking. It will automatically detect that you've changed the pieces its received from you in some way and reject the download, get them from someone else, and keep on trucking.
    Correct.. and another rumor from the Internet that's not true.
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  7. Joined : Mar 2015
    California
    Posts : 19
    Windows 7 64-bit
       16 Mar 2015 #27

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    Several perfectly LEGIT Linux distros are distributed via Torrents -- Torrents only have a bad name because of where the trackers originate from (those sites blocked for distributing copyright material etc).

    -There's NOTHING wrong in legitimate torrents -especially in the days of decently fast Internet.

    S.E.T.I. (hardly a rogue organisation) often uses P2P systems in doing its work.

    cheers
    jimbo
    Torrents have a 'bad name' in that they're often used to distribute pirated material.

    The protocol itself has a very good name and is solid as a rock.
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  8. Joined : Mar 2015
    California
    Posts : 19
    Windows 7 64-bit
       16 Mar 2015 #28

    BillyBob said: View Post
    Why would it be 5 to 20 gig, it's an OS, not a Blu Ray file, more like 3 to 4 gig, if it's over 4.7gig it wouldn't fit on a DVD.
    In all likelihood, you're probably right. But it isn't a certainty that Windows 10 will fit on one DVD disc. If its over the limit, it won't be in disk format at all and you'll just download the installation blob(however large that may be) and they'd format it for two or more discs when burning them for the mail distro. They usually charge to get the burned install disk(s). At least they did when I got 8 via their cheapo deal(It was something like $20 for the op sys? Then another $10 for the disk by mail?) last time around.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 480
    Windows 10
       16 Mar 2015 #29

    chrisa said: View Post
    In all likelihood, you're probably right. But it isn't a certainty that Windows 10 will fit on one DVD disc. If its over the limit, it won't be in disk format at all and you'll just download the installation blob(however large that may be) and they'd format it for two or more discs when burning them for the mail distro. They usually charge to get the burned install disk(s). At least they did when I got 8 via their cheapo deal(It was something like $20 for the op sys? Then another $10 for the disk by mail?) last time around.
    Windows 8 was around 3.2g, 8.1 around 3.5 and 9926 around 4.2g. I personally think they will keep it within the constraints of a DVD just because that's how a lot of people still do things, Windows users are a slow moving bunch, always have been always will be, just look at all the people still on XP and 7. Me, I'm like an Apple user, first in line.
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  10. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,479
    Windows 10 Pro
       16 Mar 2015 #30

    BillyBob said: View Post
    Why would it be 5 to 20 gig, it's an OS, not a Blu Ray file, more like 3 to 4 gig, if it's over 4.7gig it wouldn't fit on a DVD.
    They could go to 8.5 GB with a double layer dvd.
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