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  1.    05 Apr 2016 #121

    Leopard said: View Post
    I would expect that many home users today have several browsers installed and use them for all kinds of different reasons.
    I use multiple browsers. I use Chrome (with google search)when I don't like the results found in Bing.
    Last edited by orlbuckeye; 05 Apr 2016 at 13:51.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
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       05 Apr 2016 #122

    Winuser said: View Post
    I have my doubts about Firefox only being at 10.54%.
    It's an awful browser. It's not all that surprising.
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  3. Joined : Apr 2016
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       05 Apr 2016 #123

    orlbuckeye said: View Post
    I use multiple browsers. I use Chrome (with google seard) when I don't like the results found in Bing.
    You can change the home page / search engine in Edge It is pretty simple really
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  4.    05 Apr 2016 #124

    win10pro4life said: View Post
    You can change the home page / search engine in Edge It is pretty simple really
    But i use them both.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
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       05 Apr 2016 #125

    AcuraTML said: View Post
    Opera 22 or 2014 for my primary everyday use browser fast lean and very tight security and easy to customize...


    Since version 22 or year 2014 Opera went down hill and today the been sold to a player who is geared on cloud and mobile services , in a nutshell Opera Browser will not be to,,, much around in PC or Desktop sector any longer



    My All Time Favorite Browser Below:

    Attachment 73099

    I have never used a better browser this Opera V 22 or 2014 to this date.....

    " just my personal experience with Opera 22 and Insight "
    How odd.

    After version 12.18 they went to webkit/blink engine so Opera became just a regular Chrome flavour... 32bit only so far.

    But version 22 and after was a Chrom(e)(ium) all along, so what made it terrible for you puzzles me; the looks?; bad stability?

    I still use it, here and there, like the new circle logo, the old O was more resambling a zero. But I can't tell, looks and feels stable enough.

    Edit:
    From version history:
    Opera 22
    Release date 2014-06-03
    Rendering engine Chromium 35
    JavaScript engine V8
    Features
    • HiDPI improvements
    • New default themes
    Opera Software ASA - Opera version history
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  6. Joined : Apr 2016
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       05 Apr 2016 #126

    orlbuckeye said: View Post
    But i use them both.
    I do that also
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  7.    05 Apr 2016 #127

    I'll tell you something that Edge can do that Firefox can't.

    We have three Spanish Language Only laptops that successfully upgraded from 8 to 8.1 to 10 that we use for orphanages and church kids. They all have Firefox. Two days ago, one of them stopped connecting to the internet. Believe it or not, after searching on the web, I cannot find out how to connect 10 to the internet.

    In desperation, I tried Edge. It couldn't get on, but it gave the link to connect. It turned out that the wireless connection had been turned off, and I selected our home system and now it works. Firefox also works now.
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  8. Joined : Feb 2015
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       05 Apr 2016 #128

    Not pimping Edge here as a default browser, my default browser of choice here is Google Chrome ( Crime ) . I have and like Firefox also ( without the flash plug in ) but Edge can play 1080p Netflix on a PC the other two only up to 720p Netflix . ofc. Google search is by default and on the bookmark bars in all my browsers

    Aside from all that Edge will load and or play many web videos smoother the other two browsers wont load at all ,or without prolonged buffering or play smooth without buffering or stalling if they manage to load them at all .

    This is apparent on a lot of embedded web page videos , Yahoo.com, Cnet and the big USA TV network free episode videos also and around the web
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  9. Joined : Aug 2014
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       05 Apr 2016 #129

    blutos cousin said: View Post
    As far as all the Chrome /Chromium web kit or Blink variants they are all lacking some thing or things ..that's why nobody much uses them the Google search & Google Chrome paranoia is maybe for tin hats
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8913998.html
    If they weren't collecting this data, there'd be nothing to hack.

    blutos cousin said: View Post
    Most the websites and search engines are embedded with data mining changing a browser doesn't change anything there .
    I can't stop websites from doing whatever they like, but I can attempt to block data collection at my end.

    Not being able to block data collection at "their end", is one of the things that W10 critics complain about.

    blutos cousin said: View Post
    Maybe you're wasting your time with whatever script you are using with Firefox Flash plugins on Firefox or whatever instead of a malware web shield if that's what you are doing and resident code virus quarantine /scanners arent going to protect any body from malware unless they include real time malware web protections that are out of date every 10 minutes anyway I have 2 of them running from Mbam(one specifically for ransom wear ) and a ransom ware page at a legitimate website got by all that the other day and locked up the browser anyway and I had to shut Chrome down in taskman and re launch it and go about what I was doing and if it got by Chrome in the first place it will get by whatever you are using and it wasn't a flash thing either it was a re-direct
    Recent browsers include a stupid convenience feature; pre-loading web pages.
    After you open a page, they start pre-loading the links.
    http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/firef...ow-to-stop-it/
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...re-connections
    https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1385029?hl=en (section 5)

    Script Blockers may:
    • Protect you from your browser from being tricked into downloading malware
    • Also stop XSS attacks
    • stop auto-run content

    My AV program also includes some sort of Email Shield and Web Shield features.

    blutos cousin said: View Post
    If you're concerned about Flash maybe use another browser that deosent require Flash plug ins like Chrome ,Edge or IE but have thier own flash players , a lot of websites are moving on to HTML5 anyway .
    How can having a known security hazard built-in to a browser make it safer?
    What's next, built-in Java?

    OTOH, if you don't install the Flash plugin, there is no Flash code to exploit.
    Unfortunately, there is still too much stuff on the Internet that uses Flash.

    Java is more problematic.
    As I need Java for my TAFE subjects and I don't want to install it on my real PC, I've installed it in a VM.

    If I discover that my current setup is too vulnerable, I'll swap to using Linux Mint for my web surfing.
    Over the past ~5 years, I've only seen false malware positives (on XP and W7).

    My last line of defence is multiple, regular, verified, malware-free backup images (stored in several different locations).
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  10. Joined : Feb 2015
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       05 Apr 2016 #130

    Maybe they would just get it all from you instead ? ☺

    lehnerus2000
    I can't stop websites from doing whatever they like, but I can attempt to block data collection at my end.
    The key word being attempt and chances are a lot of the malware-writers have already attended to all that script by now anyway and maybe enabled malware to crawl out of whatever sand-boxing you may have outside of a VM but even a VM has to interact with the OS now and then and maybe something could crawl in there .

    U obviously know nothing is fool proof or you wouldn't need backups outside of HDWE contingency's . ☻

    Malware is the exigent treat these days maybe not so much as a virus once was .

    Again I had a ransom-ware page re direct at a legitimate website the other day it got by Mbam Anti-Exploit and Mbam Anti-Ransom Ware real time malware protection & Chrome & WD on this box .

    Avast or any resident code virus scanner /quarantine program ain't going to do much about all that . I used it for a while ( Avast free) ,it's OK like AVG free like I use in the other 3 W10 PC's here now but the Avast free nagware was really annoying me .

    OTOH for a virus quarantine /scanner it seemed to be decent like AVG free the rest of it not much of anthing that I could see outside of the usual freeware > nagware and teasers to upgrade .

    lehnerus2000

    Not being able to block data collection at "their end", is one of the things that W10 critics complain about.
    Outside of the Windows 10 app permissions and privacy settings........ You mean the tin Hats still complain ?


    lehnerus2000
    Recent browsers include a stupid convenience feature; pre-loading web pages.
    After you open a page, they start pre-loading the links.
    http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/firef...ow-to-stop-it/
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...re-connections
    https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1385029?hl=en (section 5)
    Old news IIRC they been caching web pages like that for over 10 years or more you can turn some of that off in Chrome and maybe IE 11 & the others .
    lehnerus2000
    Script Blockers may:
    • Protect you from your browser from being tricked into downloading malware
    • Also stop XSS attacks
    • stop auto-run content

    The key word being may and again the malware writers are probably attending to all that or a lot of it anyway
    I can stop auto run routines in any number of ways on websites or in some of the browsers anyway especially Fire Fox .

    lehnerus2000
    My AV program also includes some sort of Email Shield and Web Shield features.
    If it's Avast free don't worry it probably doesn't do anything much above resident virus scanning and quarantine anyway !

    lehnerus2000
    How can having a known security hazard built-in to a browser make it safer?
    What's next, built-in Java?

    R you confusing Java script with Java (two different things ?) you can remove Java (JRE, Java Runtime),via control panel or disable it in the browsers like Chrome, IE & Firefox and maybe Edge but removing if from your program group is OK too if U don't need it . I took mine out and don't miss it .

    OTOH, if you don't install the Flash plugin, there is no Flash code to exploit. I just use peepperflah in Chrome and whatever the MS browsers have

    lehnerus2000
    Unfortunately, there is still too much stuff on the Internet that uses Flash.
    All True ........OTOH That just makes a good argument for Chrome Pepper-flash & whatever Edge has . ☺

    lehnerus2000 Java is more problematic.
    As I need Java for my TAFE subjects and I don't want to install it on my real PC, I've installed it in a VM.
    Java's middle name is problems and NPAPI Flash plugins are first inline

    If I discover that my current setup is too vulnerable, I'll swap to using Linux Mint for my web surfing.
    Over the past ~5 years, I've only seen false malware positives (on XP and W7).
    A good start with Windows is staying off the web with an admin acct .......like you would ordinarily not be at elevated privileges/access on Linux.

    I'm as usual on my Windows standard user acct . now


    OTOH You can always unplug from the web & the grid too........OS X is Nixed based and it's catching malware for the fanboys now


    lehnerus2000
    My last line of defense is multiple, regular, verified, malware-free backup images (stored in several different locations).
    I feel you on the back ups depending on the circumstance but at least one or two anyway .☺

    All that being said (not that anyone cares what I think about all this )... whatever works for you is fine with me and probably you also
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