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  1.    17 Mar 2016 #31

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    I've seen people claim that you can do video editing in the Cloud.

    If that is true, then basically you'd only need a terminal-style machine (i.e. a Chromebook-type device).
    If you didn't have enough grunt, you'd just have to pay for a more expensive virtual Cloud server (and maybe more Internet bandwidth).

    Businesses that needed actual PCs would just write off the purchase cost (and there's Depreciation too) so the cost would be basically irrelevant.
    In First World countries, PCs cost much less to buy, than employees cost to hire, train and pay.
    Hi there
    they've been pushing Thin Clients ever since the early 1970's -- they work OK in some situations but aren't universally popular and the infrastructure can be more expensive to maintain than conventional PC's.

    Running a decent VDI doesn't come cheap - especially in Maintenance costs.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2.    17 Mar 2016 #32

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    They really don't want to have developers create Legacy type software (they can't cash in, on it). That is what I believe their ultimate goal is, they are looking at it 10-20 years from now. Sad really. Perhaps by then Linux will become more user friendly by then.
    I think that ALL platforms will slowly do away with windowing applications, or legacy applications. I'll tell ya, with my girlfriend's iPad and a bluetooth keyboard, I can get a LOT of productive stuff done. And I was even testing out a nice Chromebook the other day. Now I don't like the idea that there are really no locally installed applications (I want more control over the location and placement of program and system files), but most users won't care. You can do a lot with tablets and Chromebooks. Only a scant few of us will care to have traditional OS. We do not represent the majority in ANY way whatsoever.
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  3.    17 Mar 2016 #33

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    I think that ALL platforms will slowly do away with windowing applications, or legacy applications. I'll tell ya, with my girlfriend's iPad and a bluetooth keyboard, I can get a LOT of productive stuff done...
    I dual boot and just finished a couple of weeks playing PoE on OSX almost without stop. During that time I didn't particularly miss using Windows instead (although prior to that I'd not used OSX at all for years). Only once I had to do some work requiring Windows (I needed Cisco VPN and an emulator) so booted back into it for the duration and then went back to finish the game...

    Work is a bit light at the moment as you can tell...

    Whether windowing OS's disappear in the short term I doubt (it is convenient not to get stuck with only one task at a time) but how or where data is stored or how a program works will become less important as anyone who uses a phone can tell you.

    For some reason though, now I've finished I'm back on Windows again. Don't know why really.

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    We do not represent the majority in ANY way whatsoever.
    You got that right
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       17 Mar 2016 #34

    MS has a huge contract from US Defense Department.
    I'm sure they don't feel too bad about the 10%.
    :-)
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       17 Mar 2016 #35

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there
    they've been pushing Thin Clients ever since the early 1970's -- they work OK in some situations but aren't universally popular and the infrastructure can be more expensive to maintain than conventional PC's.
    Agreed.

    However, what do you think politicians will do, after their "24/7 Monitoring" laws fail to stop the next terrorist attack?
    They'll blame the ordinary citizen.

    They'll claim that everyone is using encryption, VPNs, TOR, etc. to thwart the government.
    Their solution(s) will inevitably lead to dumb terminals and a Cloud-based OS.
    "The only way to make you peasants tow the line, is to take away various pieces of hardware and software."
    "Don't worry you can buy these new "Officially Approved" devices."
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       18 Mar 2016 #36

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Agreed.

    Once manufacturers stop making desktops/laptops (and stop supplying components to the public) the era of personal computing will be dead.

    The never ending era of "Corporate Cloud OS" computing will then begin.
    "Please input credit card details to continue ..."
    False assumption. The markets can and do coexist. Phones, tablets and other devices do not spell the demise of the desktop or laptop. Workstations are still preferred for, well, work, after all. Even thin-clients and 0-clients have not replaced the venerable personal computer. Now I have a SmartPhone, Tablet *and* a workstation of some kind. Funny how that works.

    I love that the demise of the personal computer has been continually talked about since the first modern tablets and smart phones arrived.

    Cloud computing as 'aaS' as-a-Service business models will attempt to run on any platform including all of the above.
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  7.    18 Mar 2016 #37

    davidhk said: View Post
    MS has a huge contract from US Defense Department
    Do they? I was reading that the Surface had just been certified here Surface Surface now approved for U.S. Department of Defense - Windows 10 Forums so I checked what else had - all recent iPhones, Galaxy S5 and S6, and all sorts of odd (mainly quite old) devices that pass the certification process.

    You can look here Approved Products List (APL) Testing & Certification or perhaps here DISA | DoD Mobility Program

    Being allowed to buy something off the company list (in this case the US government) is not the same as an order.

    If however you have found out that some large percentage of MS income is from the DoD (rather than what is described in this thread) then please do share the details.

    Perhaps with a link with some justification.
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  8.    18 Mar 2016 #38

    Hi there

    I just love all these Ipad users who think they can do really productive work on them -- well maybe you can do SOME office type work --article for a magazine for example (whether electronic or for paper type) -- even though for cutting / pasting volumes of text nobody has come out with anything that even approaches a mouse for ease of use.

    Obviously they haven't tried to do 3D-CAD with say exploded drawings / architects plans, video editing, Oil exploration geology analysis etc etc.

    There's 1000's of things you still need a traditional computer for - whatever the OS is. Would you want to get on a plane where the major components were designed and simulated on a 7 inch Ipad !!!.

    Cars haven't meant the death of the Horse, Sailboats co-exist with huge ships etc etc. These other devices are more convenient for some things so it's only natural that computers (traditional ones) will go back to things that are most suited for them while casual surfing etc can be done easily on smaller portable devices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    18 Mar 2016 #39

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    I just love all these Ipad users who think they can do really productive work on them -- well maybe you can do SOME office type work --article for a magazine for example (whether electronic or for paper type) -- even though for cutting / pasting volumes of text nobody has come out with anything that even approaches a mouse for ease of use.

    Obviously they haven't tried to do 3D-CAD with say exploded drawings / architects plans, video editing, Oil exploration geology analysis etc etc.

    There's 1000's of things you still need a traditional computer for - whatever the OS is. Would you want to get on a plane where the major components were designed and simulated on a 7 inch Ipad !!!.

    Cars haven't meant the death of the Horse, Sailboats co-exist with huge ships etc etc. These other devices are more convenient for some things so it's only natural that computers (traditional ones) will go back to things that are most suited for them while casual surfing etc can be done easily on smaller portable devices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yes and I fared well using vinyl in the 90s and in the early 2000s when vinyl en masse was considered "unavailable". But downtown record store shopping and import purchases help me avoid CDs. Still even I didn't consider LPs a real market force.

    I understand that many many applications (as in types of use) need desktop computers to complete well. I'm just saying that I'm amazed how functional tablets and chromebooks (with the right accessories) can indeed be VERY useful. Moreover, I think there will be a lot of tasks that will actually change on some level in order to fit within the confines or abilities of these newer devices. Letter and documents are needed less for some things, and less of a paper trail and more data transfers and emails will reduce the need for word processors for example.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
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       18 Mar 2016 #40

    Well i am curious here:

    MS is not getting much money for Windows10, since free...

    But how about the billions of downloads who gets the money for this?

    Jeff
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