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  1.    07 Mar 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    I always thought the more options the better. I blame hardware manufactures not supporting Linux as the real reason linux desktops are not as widespread but that might change depending on how people react to windows 10 or windows 10 as a service. The only reason Lubuntu works well on my system is dell built theirs for both windows and Ubuntu Linux.
    Reason MFG's do not sale system with Linux is no body wants them. Those who do buy them with Linux install have requested them that way. You cannot sale something people don't want, and it would appear that only about 1.53 percent of the computing public want or care about Linux. Thus Linux becomes a dead topic. . .enjoy your Linux. . .
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  2.    07 Mar 2015 #82
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    Oak Ridge TN, USA
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    While I have a live dvd with Linux Mint on it I use it for rescue use only. When I first tried to use Linux I had a rather steep learning curve and while I did get over it I just found that in the end Windows fit my needs much better. My experience with looking things up and asking questions concerning Linux I ran into .. well a user base that was a bit less than friendly and rather hostile at times. Using a good book was much more help that the internet when it came to using it.

    Just my experience ..
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  3.    07 Mar 2015 #83
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    Lee, I am not so sure. There are beautiful Linux distros that would well work for 80% of the users. The problem is that there are too many different distros and the users get confused. If the Manufacturers could make a deal with one or two major Linux developement houses and concentrate on that, I am sure Linux could be a success.

    There are many instances where Linux is a lot easier to use than Windows - e.g. installing or uninstalling programs or doing the updates. The perception that you need to run the command line in Linux all the time is wrong. I use the command line in Linux less than in Windows. Sometimes it is more convenient than using the UI, but that is a personal choice.
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  4.    07 Mar 2015 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Lee, I am not so sure. There are beautiful Linux distros that would well work for 80% of the users. The problem is that there are too many different distros and the users get confused. If the Manufacturers could make a deal with one or two major Linux developement houses and concentrate on that, I am sure Linux could be a success.

    There are many instances where Linux is a lot easier to use than Windows - e.g. installing or uninstalling programs or doing the updates. The perception that you need to run the command line in Linux all the time is wrong. I use the command line in Linux less than in Windows. Sometimes it is more convenient than using the UI, but that is a personal choice.
    I agree that Mint and NetRunner are nice Distros, it works just fine on my hardware .. but the users are the real issue with Linux in my mind. Not all of them are as helpful as you are and that's a deterrent to me at least. I never could get a simple answer to any of my questions and when I did the answer was always in a snarky manor.
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  5.    07 Mar 2015 #85
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit

    BunnyJ, There a two different type of Linux users. We have the old fashion type that like command line work and more business orientated and they dislike desktops and dislike Ubuntu varieties. That why the old timers use arch. There old timers think you need to learn Linux all by yourself. I have done my research. The newer crowd are people that like desktops guis and use sudo and are willing to help others. Windows 10 sister forum has a Linux section.
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  6.    07 Mar 2015 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    BunnyJ, There a two different type of Linux users. We have the old fashion type that like command line work and more business orientated and they hate desktops and Ubuntu varieties. That why the old timers use arch. I have done my research. The newer newbie Linux people that like desktops guis and use sudo. Windows 10 sister forum has a linux section.
    No thanks, I had my experience, didn't like it and I just use it as a rescue when I ever need that. I just don't like having to use SUDO commands.
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  7.    07 Mar 2015 #87
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    I am member of the Linux forum and the Mint forum. I always got help there when I needed it. The same on the Zorin forum. I do mostly Mint and I had less problem exploring all the facilities on that than I had when I initially started with Windows - which was Vista.

    I now attend Linux workshops at my computer club where the real pro's gather. Admittedly those guys know a lot more than I know and they can do some fantastic things. But 99% of the time I do not really need all that stuff.

    My main use of my virtual Mint is to operate on the internet - because it is supposed to be safer. Never had a crash and never had a virus. Whatever I download there I check with Virus Total on-line and then I know whether it is good or bad.
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  8.    07 Mar 2015 #88
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    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Honestly, I should learn more about Linux to be a true pro.. and I think I will.
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  9.    07 Mar 2015 #89
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Lee, I am not so sure. There are beautiful Linux distros that would well work for 80% of the users. The problem is that there are too many different distros and the users get confused. If the Manufacturers could make a deal with one or two major Linux developement houses and concentrate on that, I am sure Linux could be a success.
    Various studies have been conducted that indicate too many choices make people angry/disappointed.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    There are many instances where Linux is a lot easier to use than Windows - e.g. installing or uninstalling programs or doing the updates. The perception that you need to run the command line in Linux all the time is wrong. I use the command line in Linux less than in Windows. Sometimes it is more convenient than using the UI, but that is a personal choice.
    I find that I often have to open up the Terminal (far more often than the Windows Command Prompt).
    IMO, that is because the GUI tools aren't "finished" to a high enough level (50%-60% in Linux vs 80%-90% in Windows).

    That said, for Windows users, Linux GUIs should be easier to use than OS X, as they are very similar to Windows.
    The Linux keyboard shortcuts are almost exactly the same as Windows shortcuts.

    The OS X file manager is difficult to use.
    How do you copy a file path or even work out where you are in the file system (in OS X)?

    The keyboard shortcuts are horrible too (in OS X).
    Just use the Command key instead of the Control key, except when it is actually the Control key or the Alt key that is required.

    Don't get me started on the stupid disembodied menus or the horrible dock thing (in OS X).
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 07 Mar 2015 at 20:53. Reason: Clarification
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  10.    07 Mar 2015 #90
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    How do you copy a file path or even work out where you are in the file system?

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