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  1.    01 Mar 2015 #21
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    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 (laptop), W10Pro (tablet)

    Haven't used the Start Menu since Win 2000. Didn't miss it in Win 8. Probably won't use it in Win 10 and definitely don't need a 3rd party app.

    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoMage View Post
    ...
    Oh yes, I looked at and even tried to work with the new Start Menu in W-10 and found it seriously wanting.
    Like, "How do you shut this thing down?". If there is a Shutdown button, I didn't find it, ...TechnoMage
    I guess you didn't look very hard since the Shutdown/Restart button is at the very top of the Start Menu in Win 10!
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  2.    01 Mar 2015 #22
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro

    Actually, it DOES make sense to have third-party apps because they offer a "choice" other than the default one provided by MS.

    So, OK, you like the MS default -- but not everyone else does. Some of us want other choices.

    If Start10 and ClassicShell do not "make sense" (because MS already provides their own start menu), then neither do the alternative Browsers -- such as FireFox, WaterFox, Chrome, Chromium, Opera -- to name a few.
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  3.    01 Mar 2015 #23
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    Actually, it DOES make sense to have third-party apps because they offer a "choice" other than the default one provided by MS.

    So, OK, you like the MS default -- but not everyone else does. Some of us want other choices.

    If Start10 and ClassicShell do not "make sense" (because MS already provides their own start menu), then neither do the alternative Browsers -- such as FireFox, WaterFox, Chrome, Chromium, Opera -- to name a few.

    I agree. On at least unembedded device Microsoft will have to allow third party application in U.S. Canada and Europe or face another round of possible government lawsuit and maybe some private ones. Unless they are trying to use windows as a service to get around that-that just an opinion I could be wrong.
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  4.    01 Mar 2015 #24
    Join Date : Dec 2014
    Posts : 21
    Win 10 Preview

    Since the introduction of Quick Launch with Win98 I've had
    pratically no use for any incarnation of a Start Menu.

    I appreciate and DO use the right click feature in Win 10,
    but here I am, 17 years down the road and Quick Launch is
    still my "go to" Start Menu.

    Single click to open programs? Check
    Single click to open files? Check
    Single click to open esoterica? Check

    What more do I need?

    Yer old stick in the mud
    Windunce


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  5.    02 Mar 2015 #25
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Washington
    Posts : 302
    Windows 10 10586

    Having a third party Start menu is just stilly considering how Windows 10 simply isn't complete. The Spartan browser isn't even in the current builds, the Start Screen doesn't function perfectly, yet let's make a Start menu utility because obviously nothing is going to be improved from Preview to RTM!

    Really?
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  6.    02 Mar 2015 #26
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Posts : 165
    Windows 8.1.1 64-bit

    I used Classic Shell on Win 8, but when 8.1 was released I instead decided to persevere using All Apps as my start menu. This worked well. I liked it, and got used to it.

    But within a couple of days on Win 10, I had Classic Shell installed. Don't like the new Start menu at ALL, and can't set it to go to All Apps when I click Start, which is my preferred option.


    Wenda.
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  7.    02 Mar 2015 #27
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Houston
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    Win-7Prox64 Win-8.1Prox64 Win-10Prox64

    Winkey+X is easier than right clicking the logo every time to access the other menus

    But a simple text list shouldn't be all that difficult to obtain or getting rid of all of the alphabet listings either that alone has made a mockery of the start menu,
    The shear width of the entire start menu is really stupid it is the start page.
    Either one start10 or classic shell is a better option.
    Too bad Microsoft left it to a third party to do some thing seemingly simple.
    You can always access the inappropriate "New" start page by using the right side winkey in either
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  8.    02 Mar 2015 #28
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
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    OS X, Win 10

    There was a day when I lived to make changes to the GUI on all Windows OSs. Now it really doesn't do anything for me, albeit I still believe that third party software is needed even if some folks cannot fine a use for it. Some people are just resistance to change while others live for it, hence the need for good third part GUI software. If you are one who doesn't like to change your GUI then just remember "Others are not like you.". . .
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  9.    03 Mar 2015 #29
    Join Date : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,517
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Based on the W8 experience


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Having a third party Start menu is just stilly considering how Windows 10 simply isn't complete. The Spartan browser isn't even in the current builds, the Start Screen doesn't function perfectly, yet let's make a Start menu utility because obviously nothing is going to be improved from Preview to RTM!
    There were basically no Start Screen improvements in W8 (DP through to RTM)
    Some improvements were made in W8.1 though.
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  10.    03 Mar 2015 #30
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro

    yet let's make a Start menu utility because obviously nothing is going to be improved from Preview to RTM!
    I would have agreed if MS had left the Start Menu alone, but when they changed it (not "improved" it) to make it Metro, I didn't like the change and used the hack posted to return to the previous Start Menu style.

    That said, the folks distributing start menu alternatives are basically following up on what they did for Win8.

    What really "makes no sense" in my view is the stubborn position taken by MS. They already have the code for Start Menus because they deployed them in Win7. But instead of offering us a choice of menu styles (which Stardock does with Start8 and Start10), they insist on continuing to force their "Metro" on us all. As long as they continue to deny their customers choices, third-party providers will be more than willing to fill the gaps.
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