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  1.    16 Feb 2016 #241
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    I think it made him sick and it did for many others..
    Gosh. That would be an unfortunately extreme reaction to a computer UI.

    I used to work in a shop in London called Sick (we thought it was ironic). Sold early 90's retro tat if you can imagine there is such a thing. No-one liked it really either.

    I guess I learned that people will pretend to like anything if you price it high enough though. Just like the start menu in some ways.
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  2.    16 Feb 2016 #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Gosh. That would be an unfortunately extreme reaction to a computer UI.

    I used to work in a shop in London called Sick (we thought it was ironic). Sold early 90's retro tat if you can imagine there is such a thing. No-one liked it really either.

    I guess I learned that people will pretend to like anything if you price it high enough though. Just like the start menu in some ways.
    For me it was a bit of a shock not having a start menu when I tried out the beta in a VM. But after playing around with it for a bit I got over that issue and when Classic Shell came out all of my issues disappeared.

    Some people over reacted to Win8 and they think it's the worst OS ever. IMO, it isn't .. it was nice and stable.

    But as usual,, YMMV.
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  3.    16 Feb 2016 #243
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    With you there. I paid a huge amount (a couple of hundred Euro) to upgrade from 7 Pro to Ultimate because I needed to change the language. The next week 8 was released and 8 Pro had multi-language for free anyway. The upgrade cost $15 or some absurdly low sum.

    Can't do anything about it though - just one of those things.
    That sounds about all too typical with MS! Back when beta and RC testing 7 those were the Ultimate builds and I simply went for broke once 7 launched. Previously it was the usual Home edition XP and then Home Premium for Vista and I found I wanted what the Ultimate edition offered as for the extras. Back before XP I had missed out on the 98SE Plus! edition also having not even seen the 95 Plus! until someone brought me a 95 machine to look at.

    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    I completely skipped 8. It didn't offer enough improvement to be worth it, and the interface was .

    14257 just started DLing, finally! Here's hoping it fixes some of the issues I've had with 10586.
    I gave the 8 Customer Preview a good run for the money in January 2012 when that was first made public and set it up as a dual boot on the second OS drive adding a boot entry into the 7 BCD once the then 7 host drive not second in line with 10 was plugged back in and all seemed well at first while still trying to figure out why MS stripped the OS to the bare bones! I knew I wasn't going to be rushing after 8! Others slammed it fast as "not wanting any Mobile OS!" as the typical comment(Civilized comments that is) about 8 being a "Flopster"! The subsequent reports on 8.1 however fared much better while you still had the Metro Mobile unless you got into Start8 or Classic Shell.

    Then suddenly both 7 and the CP wouldn't startup! Out of the blue both versions were suddenly trashed showing that new Secure boot first blamed was suspect until deciding after an urge to try the Disk Check tool on 7 and 7 started running normal again. The PC Refresh brought the CP back following the Disk Check tool's run on that drive after run on the 7 host. The PC Refresh automatically put 7 into the 8 BCD until the same disk error problem resurfaced ending 8's time and place! I later simply skipped over 8.1 figuring and later proved to be correct that it would take a few more versions for MS to get things right and 10 is still in need of some work no less while a much better end product!
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  4.    16 Feb 2016 #244

    Fafhrd, generally the newest systems have available emulators for some of the old environments going back to dos box. Also if one has an installable version of any windows (and several other I believe) operating system, hypervisor or another virtual machine environment allows the new system to host an older one...if software used to run on system whatever elsewhere and can be installed to the virtual machine, it should run there.

    I only have run a few dos games in dosbox; the collection of old windows versions I have on various virtual machines for the most part have no applications - I have them so I can see what the client sees when I'm providing operating system telephone support...

    As to 'it should work everywhere', windows and linux require a certain cpu bus width...16 32 64 whatever the os is...memory and drive space, but pretty much run on anything that meets those criteria for that os.

    Thing is, users/owners can and usually do add all sorts of peripherals, sometimes modify the system file structure, set settings, install applications, and generally use their hardware/software in ways no one could anticipate or model...each system is probably as unique as it's owner's dna...so yes some installs either fail or require tweaking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    I know you're right, NightHawk, but I cannot help but think of a computer as a universal symbol processor - something that at basic level just runs binary code and on the surface does whatever the programmer wants. You are not going to see the narrow window of hardware support shown by Windows versions in linux distros, for instance. So it comes down to deliberate hobbling by the Windows development team and their OEM partners to push hardware support forward, without leaving the opportunity to support some capable hardware in a backwards fashion - see this guy's case - CPU Running Extremely Hot - Windows 10 Forums

    I can understand Microsoft replacing yesterday's favourite Windows offering with their new baby, but not denying the opportunity for the grandparents to see their descendents, as it were. It seems unfair. My usual hobby horse is lack of support for Win32 help system - I know it's insecure, and I'm prepared to take that risk so that I can still run old software I bought without limitations, when the programs still run fine - just the knowledgebase in the context sensitive help system is denied to the application.

    Computers used to be fun, now they are flatter and duller with each new edition and there's less that you can do with them as time goes by. You can't buy systems that run the stuff I want to play with, and you can't run the stuff I want on the systems of today, and even less will be possible in the future.
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  5.    16 Feb 2016 #245
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    I completely skipped 8. It didn't offer enough improvement to be worth it, and the interface was .
    The W8 series GUI was horribly annoying.
    Last semester TAFE upgraded some machines to W8.1 and it was still as annoying as the preview versions (DP, CP, RP and W8.1 Ent).
    W8.1 was less annoying than W8.

    Over summer TAFE upgraded the PCs (at least for my subjects) to W10.

    The default W10 Diamond White theme is just awful.
    With 4 windows open side-by-side, on 2 monitors, I cannot tell which window is active without studying them.
    It reminds me of the horrible disembodied menus in OS X.

    In both W10 & OS , I have to regularly click on windows to make sure that the one I'm using is actually the active one.

    Note:
    Many months ago, I implemented a theme hack in my W10IP VM, so it's not an issue on my PC.
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  6.    17 Feb 2016 #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnwerneken View Post
    Fafhrd, generally the newest systems have available emulators for some of the old environments going back to dos box. Also if one has an installable version of any windows (and several other I believe) operating system, hypervisor or another virtual machine environment allows the new system to host an older one...if software used to run on system whatever elsewhere and can be installed to the virtual machine, it should run there.

    I only have run a few dos games in dosbox; the collection of old windows versions I have on various virtual machines for the most part have no applications - I have them so I can see what the client sees when I'm providing operating system telephone support...

    As to 'it should work everywhere', windows and linux require a certain cpu bus width...16 32 64 whatever the os is...memory and drive space, but pretty much run on anything that meets those criteria for that os.

    Thing is, users/owners can and usually do add all sorts of peripherals, sometimes modify the system file structure, set settings, install applications, and generally use their hardware/software in ways no one could anticipate or model...each system is probably as unique as it's owner's dna...so yes some installs either fail or require tweaking...

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    The differences between a simple emulator and VMs are noticable. With DOSBox you simply mount an old dos Legacy type game or app on a virtual C while with a VM you are looking at a more self contained Virtual environment where everything is emulated for the most part almost complete non dependent on the host OS except the hosting program and drive space for the VM file or files as the option to split a VM up into several pieces is one of the two generally seen.

    With 8 while tanking as a version it's one good thing? was likely seeing the Hyper-V feature brought in with it while the rest tanked! That replaced the old Virtual PC 2007 used well for the XP Mode on 7 and for emulation on Vista as well but wouldn't quite make the grade for what has been seen since! Even with VM ware changes were seen where now the latest free player is actually one including the buy license option that came out in Sept. to replace the strictly non commercial VM Player 7.2 out on 6/15 a few months earlier and proceeding the 10 launch date.

    As for simply seeing old legacy stuff run on your new pc that really hasn't been a problem anyways since this latest PC World report brings Windows 95 apps right to your present web browser! You can run Windows 95 inside your browser now - Windows Legacy - Windows Forums

    And if you want to go back even a bit further MS has just released a volley of old 3.1 archives! How some of those old 3.1 games for example? The Internet Archive brings Windows 3.1 games to your browser - PC Gamer

    Caution! however there's some type of script at the report page there that can stall things on you! These are not the first however to see web access. In other reports over the years there have been online emulators to take care of things which allowed you to try some of the old stuff without need for any downloads and installations.
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  7.    17 Feb 2016 #247
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  8.    17 Feb 2016 #248
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    Quote Originally Posted by tracit99 View Post
    Thanks for the update.
    Jeff
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  9.    17 Feb 2016 #249
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    Well you kind of have to wait until everyone gets the 14257 Mobile build before the next to follow for the desktop comes along some time later!
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