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  1.    03 Feb 2015 #21

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    As people have said it's a very simple job to get rid of bloat and crapware on a new machine with pre-installed Windows.

    ALWAYS though IMAGE the OEM hidden partition -- then you can also delete that too. If you need to return the machine back to the store simply RESTORE the OEM partition and then use the OEM restore (i.e 2 restores - first the OEM partition and then use the OEM version of restore to reset the machine back to store state).

    People who want to get rid of it will log on to Forums like this or ask people they know. Other people won't be bothered. (Rather like people sticking with the SAME Bank they have had for 20 - 30 years or more even when a simple switch would give them a much better service and deal).

    A savvy buyer these days can often negotiate a deal when buying a PC to get a RETAIL copy of the OS thrown in too. However if you do that remember the PC might have a special driver or two in it so re-installing a brand new retail version isn't always 100% as easy as it sounds. It's always easy to REMOVE the bloatware though. You don't need these 3rd party things like PC de-crapifier or whatever -- don't start off a NEW PC by letting things mess around with the registry --simply use Programs and features.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Is Best Buy, Walmart, Newegg going to throw in a retail copy of windows? I need to know where you get your stuff.

    Why do I have to go through all the headache to get rid of something that shouldn't be there? Perhaps I need to become a hermit, I am tired of having garbage constantly shoveled down our throats. Everyone has their hands in our pockets.
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  2.    03 Feb 2015 #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    Why do I have to go through all the headache to get rid of something that shouldn't be there?
    The same reason you often have to go through the headache of X'ing out ads on YouTube videos; the user who enabled monetization on their videos wants to make money.
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  3.    03 Feb 2015 #23
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    Crapware


    I get the impression that I'm attending a Computer Engineers convention, and not a Computer Users Group.

    Most of the suggestions I've read here are above and beyond the knowledge and capability of 99.999% of the people in the world that actually buy and use computers. Most know nothing about Crapware, and they go to their local Walmart or Best Buy and see something that they can afford, buy it, take it home and start using it, like they would a Blender or Toaster. They know nothing about even what OS is on the dang thing.

    People call me in desperation when their four or five year old PC has quit working and they can't even tell me what OS is on the thing, let alone, what CPU, how much RAM it has, or any of that stuff.
    I get to the users home and find out that there is NO lic. key, no recovery CD's, no backups of any kind and the HD is just one big partition. Grrrrr!

    So I set about getting the PC to work, first off, then remove years of Temp files and other pure Garbage, then when it's working I start the laborious process of getting rid of all the Crapware that came installed on the PC.

    I like using the "Revo Uninstaller", because it also removes the Registry Entries for the crapware being removed.
    I recently ran my "Temp Cleaner" program on a ladies Laptop and it removed 39GB of just pure Garbage. She was watching and she was horrified that so much garbage had built up on her little Lappy.

    Several Windows 8 and 8.1 PC's that I've set up in the past year, have no License Key sticker on the case, as has been the SOP for previous PC's.

    The only sensible thing for me to do, as a Computer Tech, is to clean and tune the PC for optimum performance and then do a backup, to a newly created second "Storage" partition. That's not 100% ideal, but it's quick, and it does provide a means of recovery if Windows gets messed up and will no longer function properly. I do retain the Backup/Restore Boot CD, because my customer wouldn't know how to use it anyway.

    I just downloaded the NEW version of the "Decrapifier" program and it looks good.*
    * It won't run on XP though. An older version is required for that.

    Cheers Mates!
    TechnoMage
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  4.    03 Feb 2015 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post

    That is not the best way. A clean install is the best way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    Your logic escapes me, if I spend $500 - $1000 on an unit with windows installed, means that I have already paid a premium price for that machine. Fine charge me $10 more to allow it to be bloat free.
    First, the point was that they were asking MS to prevent OEM's from bundling crapware on any system, not just premium ones.

    Second, it's really between you and your OEM, not Microsoft. OEM's use this crapware as a way to defray costs to sell you systems cheaper. If you can negotiate with them for a way to get that system without the crapware by paying more, that's up to you and them.

    Otherwise, vote with your wallet and don't buy from vendors who sell you systems with crapware.
    . . .You would think folks could figure that out without having to complain about it. . .
    Yeah, but Microsoft sells it software to OEM's. Microsoft can tell a OEMs what to do or not provide the Operating system. They done it in the past. I remember reading something if the OEM's don't do that, the OEM's wouldn't get an official windows 8/8.1 logo. Have you ever thought people have complained to the OEM's but no one is listening?

    OEMs need to go back to they way they use to do it.
    Provided an OEM installation disk for clean install.
    Provided a driver disk
    Provided the 3rd party software on dvd/cd disks. There are some people that want 3rd party software. I like the dell webcam, but I had to download it from dell website.

    Also, you shouldn't have to agree to an agreement to use your own computer. That mad me when I saw that. It is my computer not theirs. I paid for it. I am not talking about the EULUs that different.
    . . .Totally wrong.
    Lee,
    I am not totally wrong and I respectfully disagree. Please, do some research first.
    When I got my first windows 95 computer. There was a company called AST. They were helpful more than any other OEM. My computer came with a windows 95 oem. They had a restore cd and provided several 3rd party software on CD. When I got an xp no service pack e-machine (Which only lasted a year) it came with a factory restore disk and several 3rd party software on CD. With this latest machine windows 7, dell provided a drivers disk. I got a re-installation disk from Dell.

    Yes, Microsoft most certainly can tell an oem what to do but in most cases won't. You need to search for the story about uefi or secure boot. Oem's wouldn't get an official windows 8/8.1 logo if they had uefi or secure boot turned off, one of those had to be turned on.
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  5.    03 Feb 2015 #25

    Hi there

    Progress doesn't always mean what it says. Years ago you used to get a PC WITH an OS Disk, an APPLICATION INSTALL disk and a DRIVERS Disk.

    Gone are those days -- today you get a dubious restore partition using proprietary software which often DOESN'T EVEN WORK. !!!

    Perhaps a start would be for all PC's to come with a separate OS disk again (even if it's an OEM version) on separate media --a small USB device cost PEANUTS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6.    03 Feb 2015 #26
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    I really don't think MS cares if the OEMs add extra software to their computers. OEMs are out to make a profit. One way is to have software companies pay them to pre-install their software. Then they can lower the purchase price of the computers and hopefully sell more computers. If you don't want pre-installed software you'll probable have to custom order it and pay a higher price. Most people are just going to go to places like Best Buy or Walmart and buy what's available.
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  7.    03 Feb 2015 #27

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Progress doesn't always mean what it says. Years ago you used to get a PC WITH an OS Disk, an APPLICATION INSTALL disk and a DRIVERS Disk.

    Gone are those days -- today you get a dubious restore partition using proprietary software which often DOESN'T EVEN WORK. !!!

    Perhaps a start would be for all PC's to come with a separate OS disk again (even if it's an OEM version) on separate media --a small USB device cost PEANUTS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Absolutely...

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I really don't think MS cares if the OEMs add extra software to their computers. OEMs are out to make a profit. One way is to have software companies pay them to pre-install their software. Then they can lower the purchase price of the computers and hopefully sell more computers. If you don't want pre-installed software you'll probable have to custom order it and pay a higher price. Most people are just going to go to places like Best Buy or Walmart and buy what's available.
    ..Or try direct Microsoft Signature

    I did a quick price comparison on a Lenovo i7...and MS store worked out cheaper (compared to ordering directly from Lenovo, let alone the resellers) - and without crapware!
    I realise a lot would like a physical demo prior... but for those that aren't too fussed... there you go.
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  8.    03 Feb 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Progress doesn't always mean what it says. Years ago you used to get a PC WITH an OS Disk, an APPLICATION INSTALL disk and a DRIVERS Disk.

    Gone are those days -- today you get a dubious restore partition using proprietary software which often DOESN'T EVEN WORK. !!!

    Perhaps a start would be for all PC's to come with a separate OS disk again (even if it's an OEM version) on separate media --a small USB device cost PEANUTS.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    and that goes for hardware also, last year I bought the parts to build my own tower, I had to go online to download a [PDF file]manual for my Gigabyte motherboard to see what sata ports to use for each drive ,and other settings I might have to make
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  9.    03 Feb 2015 #29
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    One thing that annoys me with this preinstalled junk is, the first time you log in with your Live ID, all those pre-installed apps get added to your "My Apps" section of the Windows Store. Before you even get a chance to uninstall them. And stay there even if you do uninstall them. My "My Apps" section of the Windows Store is full of junk I didn't want and never used. And I will never ever use them or install them again. There is no way to clean them out of the store either. Not without creating a new account. That needs to change. It makes it a royal pain to find the ones I do use from that list.
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  10.    03 Feb 2015 #30
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    I think one must keep in mind who the major market is for Microsoft and the major computer makers is.

    Well it isn't a bunch of techie's like the members of this forum.
    It's Joe lunch box, Mary close basket and Larry can I play games.

    All those things (Crapware) that we don't want on our new computers they have no idea what they are or where they came from. As far as they know their computers won't run without them.

    These computer buyers are just like the majority of car buyers.
    Ask yourself or a neighbor if they know where to located a valve keeper on their vehicle or a caliper slide pin.
    You/they have no idea and don't want to know. It does the things they want a vehicle to do and it's the color they want.
    Most computer buyers don't want to be a techie just like most car buyers don't want to be a mechanic.

    Most computer buyers think Crapware is a free bonus the manufacture gives them because they want to be a nice company and show appreciation for the customers business.

    Okay back to us that know what Crapware is and in most cases don't want it.
    I hope we will be able to either buy a computer with out a Operating System and install it our selves or some how get the COA key off our new system and do a Clean Install.

    I and many other members on this forum don't have this hassle because we build our own systems and install exactly what we choose to; but we are a small market compared to Joe, Mary and Larry. If I had to buy a complete computer I would use a computer business in my town to build me a computer to my liking. In many cases they will be in the price range of a chain store computer.

    Their are many markets for computers; one just has to pick which one they want to be in.
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