Windows 10: Users Want Windows 10 to Be Bloatware-Free

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  1.    02 Feb 2015 #11

    Takes like 10 mins tops assuming you know what you're doing to get rid of bloatware on a preinstalled os. Not that big of a deal. Another option would just to buy the os separate from the pc with a clean burned iso or find a iso online cleaned already to install. At least that's how it's usually been in the past.
    Last edited by M1GU31; 02 Feb 2015 at 17:41.
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  2. Posts : 1,546
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       02 Feb 2015 #12

    Tews said: View Post
    It would be nice if there was no bloatware on any OS, but that is not going happen. The best way to get rid of it, is to use a program like Pc DeCrapifier. Try it, you'll like it!

    PC DeCrapifier: Identify and Remove Crapware from Windows
    That is not the best way. A clean install is the best way.

    Lee said: View Post
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    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    Your logic escapes me, if I spend $500 - $1000 on an unit with windows installed, means that I have already paid a premium price for that machine. Fine charge me $10 more to allow it to be bloat free.
    First, the point was that they were asking MS to prevent OEM's from bundling crapware on any system, not just premium ones.

    Second, it's really between you and your OEM, not Microsoft. OEM's use this crapware as a way to defray costs to sell you systems cheaper. If you can negotiate with them for a way to get that system without the crapware by paying more, that's up to you and them.

    Otherwise, vote with your wallet and don't buy from vendors who sell you systems with crapware.
    . . .You would think folks could figure that out without having to complain about it. . .
    Yeah, but Microsoft sells it software to OEM's. Microsoft can tell a OEMs what to do or not provide the Operating system. They done it in the past. I remember reading something if the OEM's don't do that, the OEM's wouldn't get an official windows 8/8.1 logo. Have you ever thought people have complained to the OEM's but no one is listening?

    OEMs need to go back to they way they use to do it.
    Provided an OEM installation disk for clean install.
    Provided a driver disk
    Provided the 3rd party software on dvd/cd disks. There are some people that want 3rd party software. I like the dell webcam, but I had to download it from dell website.

    Also, you shouldn't have to agree to an agreement to use your own computer. That mad me when I saw that. It is my computer not theirs. I paid for it. I am not talking about the EULUs that different.
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  3.    02 Feb 2015 #13

    For the low end tablets, crapware is so unnecessary these days. The Intel SoCs for those baby tablets are pretty cheap. Windows with Bing is a free to use SKU for those devices. Needing to install crapware to defray hardware costs is silly.

    Even worse on the higher end of things is having nice hardware, but crapware all over the place.
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       02 Feb 2015 #14

    I've never seen any definitive proof that bloatware actually lowers the cost of computers for the purchaser.
    OTOH, I have no doubt that it adds to OEM profits.

    M1GU31 said: View Post
    Takes like 10 mins tops assuming you know what you're doing to get rid of bloatware on a preinstalled os. Not that big of a deal.
    Does that actually return your install to "pristine" condition?

    It seems to me that most uninstallers can't remove/reverse the changes that the installers have made (especially crapware).
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  5.    02 Feb 2015 #15

    M1GU31 said: View Post
    Takes like 10 mins tops assuming you know what you're doing to get rid of bloatware on a preinstalled os. Not that big of a deal. Another option would just to buy the os separate from the pc with a clean burned iso or find a iso online cleaned already to install. At least that's how it's usually been in the past.
    Depending on the OEM and grade quality of the PC. I know that ASUS' bloatware is limited to their few little things they have here and there, not a lot of bloat at all and not really worth reinstalling an OS from scratch.

    Toshiba on the other hand, especially their lower end stuff, is loaded with bloatware and crapware up the hoo-ha. For me, it's actually easier and faster to just redeploy Windows through DISM and go from there; it literally can take three minutes tops to deploy out my customized image hard drive to hard drive and then maybe 10 tops for drivers to be loaded onto the PC.

    HP is kind of in the middle between ASUS and Toshiba. It depends.
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  6.    02 Feb 2015 #16

    M1GU31 said: View Post
    Takes like 10 mins tops assuming you know what you're doing to get rid of bloatware on a preinstalled os. Not that big of a deal. Another option would just to buy the os separate from the pc with a clean burned iso or find a iso online cleaned already to install. At least that's how it's usually been in the past.
    The problem with that is a clean install will wipe your factory restore capabilities, no one should have to do that, just to get a bloatware free system. Why people insist on defending company tactics like this is beyond me. If more people stood up and said enough is enough the companies would stop doing it.
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       03 Feb 2015 #17

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    M1GU31 said: View Post
    Takes like 10 mins tops assuming you know what you're doing to get rid of bloatware on a preinstalled os. Not that big of a deal. Another option would just to buy the os separate from the pc with a clean burned iso or find a iso online cleaned already to install. At least that's how it's usually been in the past.
    The problem with that is a clean install will wipe your factory restore capabilities, no one should have to do that, just to get a bloatware free system. Why people insist on defending company tactics like this is beyond me. If more people stood up and said enough is enough the companies would stop doing it.

    I see no problem here (with exception of it voiding warranty, but it should not void hardware warranty). If someone can do clean reinstall its not that difficult to make image backup of clean system that is better than factory restore where you probably restore system with all pre-installed bloat ware, also when making image you can choose where to store it, for example on external storage so that even on HDD failure you can replace HDD and restore your system. There is tutorial how to make system image with free macrium
    Imaging with free Macrium - Windows 7 Help Forums
    You can choose other software free or paid that fits your needs best.
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  8.    03 Feb 2015 #18

    Hi there

    As people have said it's a very simple job to get rid of bloat and crapware on a new machine with pre-installed Windows.

    ALWAYS though IMAGE the OEM hidden partition -- then you can also delete that too. If you need to return the machine back to the store simply RESTORE the OEM partition and then use the OEM restore (i.e 2 restores - first the OEM partition and then use the OEM version of restore to reset the machine back to store state).

    People who want to get rid of it will log on to Forums like this or ask people they know. Other people won't be bothered. (Rather like people sticking with the SAME Bank they have had for 20 - 30 years or more even when a simple switch would give them a much better service and deal).

    A savvy buyer these days can often negotiate a deal when buying a PC to get a RETAIL copy of the OS thrown in too. However if you do that remember the PC might have a special driver or two in it so re-installing a brand new retail version isn't always 100% as easy as it sounds. It's always easy to REMOVE the bloatware though. You don't need these 3rd party things like PC de-crapifier or whatever -- don't start off a NEW PC by letting things mess around with the registry --simply use Programs and features.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9.    03 Feb 2015 #19

    Hopefully we can figure out to do a OEM Clean Install, as was the case with Windows 7. I think the success of that will depend on whether we still use a traditional COA product key to activate the installation....Im unsure of whether that has been determined yet.
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  10.    03 Feb 2015 #20

    groze said: View Post

    That is not the best way. A clean install is the best way.

    Lee said: View Post
    Mystere said: View Post
    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    Your logic escapes me, if I spend $500 - $1000 on an unit with windows installed, means that I have already paid a premium price for that machine. Fine charge me $10 more to allow it to be bloat free.
    First, the point was that they were asking MS to prevent OEM's from bundling crapware on any system, not just premium ones.

    Second, it's really between you and your OEM, not Microsoft. OEM's use this crapware as a way to defray costs to sell you systems cheaper. If you can negotiate with them for a way to get that system without the crapware by paying more, that's up to you and them.

    Otherwise, vote with your wallet and don't buy from vendors who sell you systems with crapware.
    . . .You would think folks could figure that out without having to complain about it. . .
    Yeah, but Microsoft sells it software to OEM's. Microsoft can tell a OEMs what to do or not provide the Operating system. They done it in the past. I remember reading something if the OEM's don't do that, the OEM's wouldn't get an official windows 8/8.1 logo. Have you ever thought people have complained to the OEM's but no one is listening?

    OEMs need to go back to they way they use to do it.
    Provided an OEM installation disk for clean install.
    Provided a driver disk
    Provided the 3rd party software on dvd/cd disks. There are some people that want 3rd party software. I like the dell webcam, but I had to download it from dell website.

    Also, you shouldn't have to agree to an agreement to use your own computer. That mad me when I saw that. It is my computer not theirs. I paid for it. I am not talking about the EULUs that different.
    . . .Totally wrong.
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