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  1.    05 Apr 2016 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by orlbuckeye View Post
    Digital entitlment is what Windows 10 uses if you've done an upgrade. It doesn't create a key but does a snapshot of your hardware and created a Hash number that gets stored on MS servers. When you do a clean install the install verifies that hardware is the same as the upgraded one checking the hash number on MS servers. If you have Vista and XP and purchased Windows 10 from say Newegg a key comes with the media just like it did with XP, Vista, Windows 7 and 8/8.1 .
    Yes, I know all that. My laptop now has digital entitlements for Home and Pro. The thing is, embedded keys take priority over that during setup. As it stands now. If I was to buy 10 Pro right now, retail disk, I would get 10 Home on my laptop with no say in the matter and no prompt for a key. If I had never installed Windows 10 on this PC, and did this after the 29th, my 10 Home would not activate either. It would not have a digital entitlement.

    EDIT: Just to clarify, I would like the install media to just stop reading Windows 8/8.1 OEM keys, not all embedded keys. Just look for Windows 10 embedded keys and ignore Windows 8 keys..
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  2.    05 Apr 2016 #32

    There are only 2 ways to activate Windows 10 a product key or Digital entiltlement. You are entitled to WIndows 10 Home or Pro based whether the product you are upgrading from whether it is Home or Pro. If you purchase the retail version you get both the pro and jome version and OEM versions you get one or the other.
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  3.    05 Apr 2016 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Yes, I know all that. My laptop now has digital entitlements for Home and Pro. The thing is, embedded keys take priority over that during setup. As it stands now. If I was to buy 10 Pro right now, retail disk, I would get 10 Home on my laptop with no say in the matter and no prompt for a key. If I had never installed Windows 10 on this PC, and did this after the 29th, my 10 Home would not activate either. It would not have a digital entitlement.

    In a nutshell or a simple way to look at it if MS doesn't extend the free upgrade special beyond July 29th, the activation system will revert back to the retail type and mac type activation like you did back in the XP or Win 7 days.

    And you got it right on the head " Orlbuckeye, regarding MS clearly lost major runway as the Windows product wont be a revenue option even when windows 7 dries up their will be other alternatives regarding other avenues and new OS's in place to run practically anything before year 2020.

    If MS has any vision or solid path in the future , they must look into making Windows open source " so the majority of the future apps and various Store in the likes of Google and Apple store can permit and fully authorize their API permissions and registrations to Windows

    " Open Source will be the next option in a couple of years or so to decide "
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  4.    05 Apr 2016 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by orlbuckeye View Post
    There are only 2 ways to activate Windows 10 a product key or Digital entiltlement. You are entitled to WIndows 10 Home or Pro based whether the product you are upgrading from whether it is Home or Pro. If you purchase the retail version you get both the pro and jome version and OEM versions you get one or the other.
    That's correct Orlbuckeye , after July 29 no other way perhaps Mac type but no one will be running Ent. or LTSB versions for personal use
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  5.    05 Apr 2016 #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by orlbuckeye View Post
    There are only 2 ways to activate Windows 10 a product key or Digital entiltlement. You are entitled to WIndows 10 Home or Pro based whether the product you are upgrading from whether it is Home or Pro. If you purchase the retail version you get both the pro and jome version and OEM versions you get one or the other.
    And your point is? My question for you is, why read Windows OEM 8/8.1 keys after the 29th? What advantage is there in doing it? I don't see any advantage in reading those OEM keys after the 29th? That was my original statement.
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  6.    05 Apr 2016 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    And your point is? My question for you is, why read Windows OEM 8/8.1 keys after the 29th? What advantage is there in doing it? I don't see any advantage in reading those OEM keys after the 29th? That was my original statement.
    @alphanumeric

    I believe that type of activation wasn't clear and didn't pan out and scrapped in the making due to activation servers and confusion and poof that idea was never again talked about and that was wise if you think about it, " it didn't make any sense there are lots of data and internal reports folks will not upgrade from windows 7 or a small group feels the same with Windows 8

    And at this pace MS will miss the 1 billion user goal by 2020 and other alternatives regarding primary OS's
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  7.    05 Apr 2016 #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by AcuraTML View Post
    @alphanumeric

    I believe that type of activation wasn't clear and didn't pan out and scrapped in the making due to activation servers and confusion and poof that idea was never again talked about and that was wise
    The current Windows 10 MSDN ISO's (which are identical to retail disks) and the install media created by the Media Creation Tool will read and use Windows 8/8.1 OEM embedded keys. I have verified it myself. I had to add a PID.txt file to my install media to force a Pro install. This is what I hope stops after the 29th. I would be happy if it just read Windows 10 OEM embedded keys after that date. I think my original point got lost in all the subsequent posts some how.
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  8.    05 Apr 2016 #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    The current Windows 10 MSDN ISO's (which are identical to retail disks) and the install media created by the Media Creation Tool will read and use Windows 8/8.1 OEM embedded keys. I have verified it myself. I had to add a PID.txt file to my install media to force a Pro install. This is what I hope stops after the 29th. I would be happy if it just read Windows 10 OEM embedded keys after that date. I think my original point got lost in all the subsequent posts some how.
    @alphanumeric.

    I get you what saying but MSDN will change their handling and licencing and control methods, after July 29th , their are some internal emails within MS and First Choice partners who have got the bulletin regarding what I touched base on...


    MSDN products and licencing will be blanked as " test use only "

    Their will be a slew of COLA changes on July 30th 2016 as expected
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  9.    05 Apr 2016 #39

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    And your point is? My question for you is, why read Windows OEM 8/8.1 keys after the 29th? What advantage is there in doing it? I don't see any advantage in reading those OEM keys after the 29th? That was my original statement.
    Well we don't know what happens after the 29th as MS hasn't officially said. But if the free upgrade goes away the upgrade process will be the same using the OEM keys. It will still determine it your Windows 7 or 8.1 are authentic for an upgrade. If MS decided the upgrade isn't free you will pay for the digital entitlement upgrade process. If they extend the free upgrade then the digital entitlement process will be free.
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  10.    05 Apr 2016 #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    The current Windows 10 MSDN ISO's (which are identical to retail disks) and the install media created by the Media Creation Tool will read and use Windows 8/8.1 OEM embedded keys. I have verified it myself. I had to add a PID.txt file to my install media to force a Pro install. This is what I hope stops after the 29th. I would be happy if it just read Windows 10 OEM embedded keys after that date. I think my original point got lost in all the subsequent posts some how.
    Again I know what your saying lets wait till July 30th or right after Windows 2016 gets dropped that's where we all will see more policy changes and how it will work regarding licencing and activations
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