Windows 10: Windows 10 at six months: Ready for primetime?

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  1.    29 Jan 2016 #21

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    And should they??

    Apple has total control over the hardware/software combination and MS has zero control over the hardware that uses their OS.

    I would expect that a basic motherboard and processor should have no issues using jut about any version of Windows.
    dencal said: View Post
    Try deleting your accounts and reinstalling them as recent improvements have been made to W10 Mail.
    I find such comments to be not helpful. Windows PCs have evolved to the point where one can consider them a "product". A product should work without much tinkering on the side of a consumer (sure, tech enthusiasts, such people on this forum love tinkering with their PCs, but that's a different story). A lot of complaints about Windows 10 stem from the fact that people are being practically forced to upgrade only to see problems or inconsistencies. In particular, Windows 10 has a lot of restrictions regarding customization, there are lots of useless apps bundled with the OS that are hard to get rid of, etc. When such complaints are voiced, people start giving suggestions as to how to solve the little problem mentioned, but that's not the point.

    The point is, Windows 10 is basically an unfinished product - almost by design - and not everyone is happy about such a thing being forced on them. If a product is forced on me, it better works. I have already tinkered with Windows 7 and it works perfectly on my PC. And now they want me to spend all that effort again on Windows 10 - more in fact, since Windows 10 is not quite finished. This is not about being fan or hater. This is simply the fact that I don't have the time (and don't want to make time) for tinkering. I need a PC that works. Windows 7 does work for me, while Windows 10 does not. Sure, I'm playing with it on and off on my free time, but frankly it's very frustrating.
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  2.    29 Jan 2016 #22

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    MS doesn't specify an exact configuration that is guaranteed to work (or work at least as well as Apple's HW-SW combination).
    It is worse than that. GWX tell individual owners to upgrade even when the computer manufacturers say that the model is not compatible with Windows 10. Look at the Sony VAIO threads, for example.

    In such induced upgrade scenarios, 'too difficult for Microsoft to test a billion different computer configurations' is not a valid excuse for failed upgrades.
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  3.    29 Jan 2016 #23

    unifex said: View Post
    I find such comments to be not helpful. Windows PCs have evolved to the point where one can consider them a "product". A product should work without much tinkering on the side of a consumer (sure, tech enthusiasts, such people on this forum love tinkering with their PCs, but that's a different story). A lot of complaints about Windows 10 stem from the fact that people are being practically forced to upgrade only to see problems or inconsistencies. In particular, Windows 10 has a lot of restrictions regarding customization, there are lots of useless apps bundled with the OS that are hard to get rid of, etc. When such complaints are voiced, people start giving suggestions as to how to solve the little problem mentioned, but that's not the point.

    The point is, Windows 10 is basically an unfinished product - almost by design - and not everyone is happy about such a thing being forced on them. If a product is forced on me, it better works. I have already tinkered with Windows 7 and it works perfectly on my PC. And now they want me to spend all that effort again on Windows 10 - more in fact, since Windows 10 is not quite finished. This is not about being fan or hater. This is simply the fact that I don't have the time (and don't want to make time) for tinkering. I need a PC that works. Windows 7 does work for me, while Windows 10 does not. Sure, I'm playing with it on and off on my free time, but frankly it's very frustrating.
    Very interesting post and thanks for chiming in.

    My take, First off 10 is what should be vied as an OS that's going to be in constant development unlike any previous OS from MS. While it's being adjusted and new features will be added over time the cord product is done and set in stone so I'm fairly certain that the majority of features will be present for some time,, start menu ETC.

    I would love to know what you do to tinker an OS. For me I use it just as it comes right out to the box. Like you I want an OS that just works and the best way for me to achieve that is not to tinker the OS. An OS is just a tool to me and the look is a secondary issue/thought. I use it so I can code(COBOL, Python and Java).. work on my Website and do some budget work. I can never really see myself spending any time tinkering an OS other than applying a few addition to the context menu and changing the color theme.. I have a great one done by @Cliff S.

    For me... just use the OS as it is and don't worry about customizing it. Get work done with it and just enjoy the fact that it's a great OS out of the box.

    Again.. my 2c..
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  4.    29 Jan 2016 #24

    FrozenCursor said: View Post
    It is worse than that. GWX tell individual owners to upgrade even when the computer manufacturers say that the model is not compatible with Windows 10. Look at the Sony VAIO threads, for example.

    In such induced upgrade scenarios, 'too difficult for Microsoft to test a billion different computer configurations' is not a valid excuse for failed upgrades.
    That's the issue with the maker of the hardware and not MS. If they can't keep up with developing driver software they really shouldn't be in the business in the first place.
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       29 Jan 2016 #25

    FrozenCursor said: View Post
    It is worse than that. GWX tell individual owners to upgrade even when the computer manufacturers say that the model is not compatible with Windows 10. Look at the Sony VAIO threads, for example.

    In such induced upgrade scenarios, 'too difficult for Microsoft to test a billion different computer configurations' is not a valid excuse for failed upgrades.
    Did you ever use 95 or 98 when they first appeared or XP when that first came out.
    I did and 10 is 100% better than those 3
    With 10 I have had not crashes, freezes or having to go into dos to alter things.
    Why because I made sure my BIOS and drivers were up to date before I upgraded.
    Also from Toshiba when they offer an update and it is recommended then I install it.
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  6.    29 Jan 2016 #26

    Just look at the big picture, there are many more 'help me' postings on this 10 forums than on the sister 7 forums although there are many more Windows 7 users than Windows 10 users.

    Or if you want to look at small pictures, I too have Windows 10 on a hobby computer, it works quite well on that machine. A couple of weeks ago, I tried Windows 10 on a more serious machine, I rolled it back to Windows 8.1 within 4 days. Windows 10 is inconsistent from one machine to the next.
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  7.    29 Jan 2016 #27

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    That's the issue with the maker of the hardware and not MS. If they can't keep up with developing driver software they really shouldn't be in the business in the first place.
    Actually it isn't, and that's the valid point FrozenCursor is making. If anyone, I don't care if we are talking Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia etc. sends a notice saying you should upgrade your software, and that request gets more adamant, like ever increasing pop up windows, then the software darn well better work. I am a software developer, and a Microsoft Alumni, worked for them in the early to mid nineties. Everyone is correct that Windows has issues because it has to run on so many different pieces of hardware, configurations etc. That has always been true, and it is amazing how well it has done given those challenges. However, Microsoft Marketing seems to have forgotten this. Their 1 billion PC push seems to forget that "offering" a free upgrade by saying, "Hey upgade...UPGRADE NOW!" implies to the users it's a solid process.

    I feel for the support folks at the company, and the developers. Back in the day there were only around 100 million PC/users out there. I can't imagine what they are going through with this install base. Bottom line though, Microsoft needs to stop pushing so hard. Not everyone should or needs an upgrade. Windows 10 is good. Windows 10 will make it to the enterprise, unlike 8.x. They need to let the Market move as it is ready. All they are managing to do at the moment is create unneeded negative press and internet chatter among those whose devices have been hosed because non-technical users clicked upgrade because they didn't know better.
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  8.    29 Jan 2016 #28

    MrBill said: View Post
    Actually it isn't, and that's the valid point FrozenCursor is making. If anyone, I don't care if we are talking Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia etc. sends a notice saying you should upgrade your software, and that request gets more adamant, like ever increasing pop up windows, then the software darn well better work. I am a software developer, and a Microsoft Alumni, worked for them in the early to mid nineties. Everyone is correct that Windows has issues because it has to run on so many different pieces of hardware, configurations etc. That has always been true, and it is amazing how well it has done given those challenges. However, Microsoft Marketing seems to have forgotten this. Their 1 billion PC push seems to forget that "offering" a free upgrade by saying, "Hey upgade...UPGRADE NOW!" implies to the users it's a solid process.

    I feel for the support folks at the company, and the developers. Back in the day there were only around 100 million PC/users out there. I can't imagine what they are going through with this install base. Bottom line though, Microsoft needs to stop pushing so hard. Not everyone should or needs an upgrade. Windows 10 is good. Windows 10 will make it to the enterprise, unlike 8.x. They need to let the Market move as it is ready. All they are managing to do at the moment is create unneeded negative press and internet chatter among those whose devices have been hosed because non-technical users clicked upgrade because they didn't know better.
    So,, how is MS responsible for Sony and anyone else that doesn't bother to take the time to update drivers for the upcoming OS?? They knew it was coming for some time and had adequate time to get ready. In the case of Sony they just didn't do anything to get ready for 10.. and how is MS responsible for any of this matter??
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  9.    29 Jan 2016 #29

    dencal said: View Post
    Try deleting your accounts and reinstalling them as recent improvements have been made to W10 Mail.

    I have, multiple times, in fact I've tried everything. It just isn't fit for purpose on my machine. No problem, plenty of alternatives.
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  10.    29 Jan 2016 #30

    Somebody has a working Windows 7 machine from whatever supplier. Microsoft induced an upgrade that breaks the machine.

    Sure that is Microsoft's fault.
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