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  1.    31 Jan 2016 #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by unifex View Post
    I'm not sure whether Ed Bott is really an expert. Personally, I found those built-in apps to be useless at best. Those which have a desktop counterpart, such as Skype, are certainly better on desktop (in the case of Skype, the desktop version actually has more features). Others ... Let's just say that I am not interested in Bing new aggregation and I don't own an XBox nor am I planning to buy one.
    Ed Bott is a prolific technology writer and journalist with focus in Windows and Office products. With more than two decades' experience writing, he has written 25 books among them Windows 10 Inside Out.

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    If I recalled correctly, he is/was one of Editors in PC Computing and/or PC World. I have used several of his books to prepare for Microsoft Certifications.
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  2.    31 Jan 2016 #92
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    Just being curious. What was Ed Bott's view of Windows 8?
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  3.    31 Jan 2016 #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by unifex View Post
    I stopped using email clients long time ago. I see no point of keeping thousands of mail messages on my PC and it would take too much time and effort to do the housekeeping. I just use the gmail, mostly on the phone. Not only does this practice save me space (granted, most people don't care about that) but it's also more secure - if I literally don't open any emails on my PC, I can't get any virus or malware that way.
    So you're comfortable having your entire email correspondence over years completely stored on someone else's computer? I'm not. I like having the record under my own control, not Google's, or MS, or anybody else.
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  4.    31 Jan 2016 #94
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    The title of the article/thread doesn't seem appropriate as W10 has been out for ~6 months.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Just being curious. What was Ed Bott's view of Windows 8?
    IIRC, he complained (a little bit).

    These days he's closer to the majority opinion of the W8 series.

    Overall I rate Ed Bott as OK (i.e. I probably agree with ~75% of what he posts).
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  5.    31 Jan 2016 #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    The title of the article/thread doesn't seem appropriate as W10 has been out for ~6 months.


    IIRC, he complained (a little bit).

    These days he's closer to the majority opinion of the W8 series.

    Overall I rate Ed Bott as OK (i.e. I probably agree with ~75% of what he posts).
    I never followed Ed Bott and was just curious.
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  6.    01 Feb 2016 #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    So you're comfortable having your entire email correspondence over years completely stored on someone else's computer? I'm not. I like having the record under my own control, not Google's, or MS, or anybody else.
    My "control" over my old email correspondence ended up amounting to deleting gigabytes after gigabytes of old messages. Moreover, old backups are hard to open now since the formats tend to change over time. And most importantly, at some point I just realized old emails to be worthless to me. You see, I might be old-fashioned, but I've never treated email as serious correspondence. In fact, I actually delete most messages after I read them (and a whole lot more without reading). Anything significant should be done in writing, as in on paper. But even those records I get rid of periodically since most information loses its value over the years (I might keep the paperwork for my previous car, but papers of all cars before that are long gone).
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  7.    01 Feb 2016 #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgage View Post
    So you're comfortable having your entire email correspondence over years completely stored on someone else's computer? I'm not. I like having the record under my own control, not Google's, or MS, or anybody else.
    Unless you have your own email server, your emails are stored in the cloud or on "someone else computer".

    There are various types of cloud based email services. For example there are free email services, such as Gmail, MS outlook.com, etc. The alternative is paid for email hosting services, such as just for email and/or in combination with web hosting. In both cases, the email is collected and kept on "someone else computer" for a period of times for you to access, usually forever even if you selected to delete the email.

    Certainly, there's more control with the email hosting than with free email services. But the point is that whoever runs your email server has full control of your emails. In such cases, your control of the email is limited to computer that you have full control of...
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  8.    01 Feb 2016 #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    Unless you have your own email server, your emails are stored in the cloud or on "someone else computer".

    There are various types of cloud based email services. For example there are free email services, such as Gmail, MS outlook.com, etc. The alternative is paid for email hosting services, such as just for email and/or in combination with web hosting. In both cases, the email is collected and kept on "someone else computer" for a period of times for you to access, usually forever even if you selected to delete the email.

    Certainly, there's more control with the email hosting than with free email services. But the point is that whoever runs your email server has full control of your emails. In such cases, your control of the email is limited to computer that you have full control of...
    Yes, I know this. But I like to have my local archive just in case.
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  9.    01 Feb 2016 #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by unifex View Post
    My "control" over my old email correspondence ended up amounting to deleting gigabytes after gigabytes of old messages. Moreover, old backups are hard to open now since the formats tend to change over time. And most importantly, at some point I just realized old emails to be worthless to me. You see, I might be old-fashioned, but I've never treated email as serious correspondence. In fact, I actually delete most messages after I read them (and a whole lot more without reading). Anything significant should be done in writing, as in on paper. But even those records I get rid of periodically since most information loses its value over the years (I might keep the paperwork for my previous car, but papers of all cars before that are long gone).
    I only delete whatever spam makes it through the filter. As far as keeping old email, it's not a matter of legal significance - but I do occasionally need to look something up years later to confirm a date or some other info. It can be very useful.

    I still like having my own local archive, just in case.
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  10.    01 Feb 2016 #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    Unless you have your own email server, your emails are stored in the cloud or on "someone else computer".

    There are various types of cloud based email services. For example there are free email services, such as Gmail, MS outlook.com, etc. The alternative is paid for email hosting services, such as just for email and/or in combination with web hosting. In both cases, the email is collected and kept on "someone else computer" for a period of times for you to access, usually forever even if you selected to delete the email.

    Certainly, there's more control with the email hosting than with free email services. But the point is that whoever runs your email server has full control of your emails. In such cases, your control of the email is limited to computer that you have full control of...
    Someone should have sent this to the former Secretary of State.(Thought she had her own server, only to find out that the service company kept copies.) In all seriousness though, you are 100% correct. Also, any email correspondence you have will be stored on the other person's server as well. This is why email can be such a security risk, even if you aren't a federal employee.

    On the plus side, I personally like gmail, even if they do snoop. (Pretty boring stuff to read really.) Gmail has become my virtual filing cabinet over the years. I used to keep a local copy of all that email, but stopped that when I lost my local copy during a move to a new machine. I came to realize at that point it was not worth locally storing the 10 years of data I had accumulated.
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