Revealed! Crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing

Barman58 said:

Anything I like, as long as it's legal I'm single, so no instructions on what to do :)

A Welshman not rugby mad, as someone, a taff on my mothers side, shame on you.

dencal said:

Dmex.
What a superb concise explanation, whether it satisfies the doubters I have my doubts.

For me it is not about "doubts." It's about choices.

I don't use Skype or MS email or many of the apps listed in Dmex's excellent post (there have been many excellent posts
in this thread, some over the top amazing in info and insight).

No matter the apps/reasons for that data to be taken into others hands and eyes, I just want the choice as to what and
IF it can by taken. That got left behind a couple of decades ago. Gradually we seem to have given up more and more,
so now the collection of email content etc seems like just another small thing to some. That's how a lot of pretty scary
things get going and it is also how we end up calling people who are opposed to all of it "doubters." Whoa.

Frisco said:

For me it is not about "doubts." It's about choices.
No matter the apps/reasons for that data to be taken into others hands and eyes, I just want the choice as to what and
IF it can by taken. That got left behind a couple of decades ago. Gradually we seem to have given up more and more,

You do have a choice....open Settings, Privacy, Background Apps....turn on or off.

Cliff S said:

Psssst! Hey Kid! Come here!Wanna see what information about you, any site can glean from your browser alone, when you visit it without a VPN?Take a look at the map too....WhatsMyIP.org | More Info About You

Yes, the sites you visit will have information about a lot of things, if you let them. Here's what my visit shows, when clicked on the referenced link:



And if I want to, I can have this within a minute just by hitting F5, or refresh:



It's rather easy to do with the TOR Browser and the user agent switcher. In another word, I can have control over what the website sees about my connection. Not to mention that the website only sees this, if and when I'd click on the link.

When the same or more extensive data collection is moved in to the operating system, there's no control over the information that will be collected. The data collected in the OS might be just performance data, or everything and the kitchen sink is slurped up.

MS justifies this collection by saying, that we collect that data so that we make that experience better for everyone. That's somewhat understandable for Windows 10, after all, it is provided as a service. What about previous versions of Windows that MS retrofitted with the same telemetry/data collection? MS wants to have people upgrade to Windows 10 from the earlier versions. The chances are that MS will not make these systems better and more secure the same way as it does Windows 10. In which case, what's the purpose of retrofitting Windows 7 and 8.x with he same data collection?

Cr00zng said:

The question is... Will doing so actually turns off the "feature" selected, or just shows disabled in the GUI? If it's anything like disabling WiFi Sense, disabling in the GUI doesn't do much...

Which is why my use of the word "Doubters".... in a previous post.....of which yourself and Frisco are obvious candidates.

dencal said:

Which is why my use of the word "Doubters".... in a previous post.....of which yourself and Frisco are obvious candidates.

There's no doubt that disabling WiFi Sense in the GUI does not disable this "feature":

Windows 10 WiFi sense...

Questioning, if disabling other telemetry "features" behave the same is a logical next step that you obviously have some trouble comprehending and thus following. As such, you result to nominating people for certain title to discredit their questions and/or findings. That may have worked on the playground, but it does not work in forums. And there's no doubt about that...