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  1.    12 Jan 2016 #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    How can anyone possibly imagine their own personal details are more important to M$ than the billions of other users worldwide?.
    To collect all the so called personal details of every user, M$ would have to employ half of the population on the planet.

    Far more personal details are already in circulation ie- medical, tax, licences, employment, and on and on , without you even going online.
    . . .That called for a double ditto. . .
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  2.    12 Jan 2016 #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    It must be hard going through life sitting in font of a computer screen worried about who is watching, and who is data mining your computer so that they can built up a portfolio on just you, so that they know know what it is you do every day you life. Just thank about it Microsoft probably knows when you get up to the bathroom, what kind of takeout food you order, "oh BTW" so does Apple, The NSA, Google, the CIA, (along with other world intelligence organizations. . . .Good luck to all of you, and do whatever it takes to stay hidden. . .
    So Microsoft know I go to a porn site sometimes ... ooops did I say that LOL
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  3.    12 Jan 2016 #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    So Microsoft know I go to a porn site sometimes ... ooops did I say that LOL
    Good one Steph, should have thought of that one, it is probably the main reason some folks worry abut being watched. . .
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  4.    12 Jan 2016 #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    I wasn't claiming that MS and/or W10 was involved in that incident.

    It was a rebuttal to this statement, "You have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide."
    It has never been an effective defence against tyrants, criminals and/or troublemakers.

    For examples, see World history (1900 - present day) specifically:
    • WWI (and lead up to)
    • WWII (and lead up to)
    • Stalin
    • Mao Zedong (Mao Tse-tung)
    • Pol Pot
    • Rwanda
    • Syria
    • etc.

    Most of the people killed in those events (or by the order of the listed individuals) were doing "nothing wrong".
    Yes, I understood your post I quoted. What I could not, cannot understand with my limited booze-damaged brain is the relevance. Yes, your list quoted above gives some good examples of autocratic, oppressive countries and conflicts where and when that slogan has not been valid and those with nothing to hide have even lost their lives because of the privacy violations. The slogan is valid when talking about Windows and its statistical telemetrics.

    Just over 60 posts in this relatively short discussion, yet our members have already managed to bring in Goebbels, wars and oppressive governments as warning examples about privacy violations and risks which limited privacy involves. Because this has nothing to do with the topic of this conversation, I fail to see the relevance and cannot understand use of these examples in any way when talking about Windows. Not even when the examples are used to explain the origins of a slogan.

    I've tried to get an answer to some basic, simple questions about what are the risks I'm taking accepting the default privacy settings, what can happen to me and my life "giving voluntarily up my privacy" regarding Windows, what is the harm possibly caused to me and my life because I allow Windows call home? Instead of getting answered I've read about Joseph Goebbels, oppressive governments and such.

    Of course I know that I will not get any valid answers to my questions because as we all know, nothing will happen to me nor to my life even when I choose to accept the default privacy settings in Windows. No harm, no problems. I will be just fine, exactly as some other user who uses every possible method available to stop Windows calling home. Our life will continue in exactly the same way. MS will not reveal to my ex-wives the names I use for them in my diary and correspondence, they will not inform local religious communities about my visits to sinful websites, they do not call the authorities to tell them that I had admitted driving twice the speed limit in an email to a friend. Microsoft will not empty my bank account, nor will they sell my credit card information. Their employees do not use my browsing history as coffee table conversation topic, to get good laughs. My house will not be burn, I will not get arrested, I don't lose the little I have because of my Windows privacy settings. Really.

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  5.    12 Jan 2016 #65
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    Lehnerus2000
    On the subject "Relevance" how can you make a correlation between the events depicted in your statement ATT below and W10.
    Most of the events occurred before the advent of computers, and at no time was my statement, which you obviously find distasteful, ever used in reference to any of them.
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  6.    12 Jan 2016 #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I've tried to get an answer to some basic, simple questions about what are the risks I'm taking accepting the default privacy settings, what can happen to me and my life "giving voluntarily up my privacy" regarding Windows, what is the harm possibly caused to me and my life because I allow Windows call home?

    Of course I know that I will not get any valid answers to my questions because as we all know, nothing will happen to me nor to my life even when I choose to accept the default privacy settings in Windows.
    I feel your question is specious because no one can know for sure how sharing personally identifiable information (PID) with Microsoft may impact them negatively. What is clear is that many people are harmed as a result of their PID getting into the wrong hands. IMO it is prudent, not paranoid, to limit access to PID in every area of life whenever possible unless it serves me in some way to share it. I understand that you trust nothing bad will come of it, but is there some tangible way that sharing information with Microsoft via Windows 10 actually benefits the user?
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  7.    13 Jan 2016 #67
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    Victek...your quote?...but is there some tangible way that sharing information with Microsoft via Windows 10 actually benefits the user?

    Access to the Cloud...All your computers synchronised, saving space on your HD or SSD, your personal files and details are never lost even with total computer failure, access to the cloud on any computer when perhaps visiting relatives on the other side of the world, and while there taking hundreds of photos which can then be safely stored.

    Cortana for local services, Maps for directions, Weather, all if you give your location.
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  8.    13 Jan 2016 #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Victek...your quote?...but is there some tangible way that sharing information with Microsoft via Windows 10 actually benefits the user?

    Access to the Cloud...All your computers synchronised, saving space on your HD or SSD, your personal files and details are never lost even with total computer failure, access to the cloud on any computer when perhaps visiting relatives on the other side of the world, and while there taking hundreds of photos which can then be safely stored.

    Cortana for local services, Maps for directions, Weather, all if you give your location.
    +1

    In addition, completely understanding that this makes me a laughing stock not only for most of the tinfoil hat brigade but for most of the Windows 10 users in general: I always participate in all Customer Experience programs if and when available and if the company is a major player, a company I previously know and trust like Microsoft. Always.

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    This makes me feel I participate in the development and improvement of the operating systems and software I use. I do not care how ridiculous you might see this, but as I have done this since early versions of Windows, in addition to participating in all possible Windows, Office, Azure and Visual Studio beta and preview programs, I want to think my opinion and how I use the PC matters. Of course I know it's far fetched but for instance when a bug or oddly working feature I have reported has been fixed, I feel good.

    That's me. I have never seen or heard a single piece of evidence showing that the usage statistics and data my or anyone else's machines send to MS has caused any harm or issues to anyone. Until clear proof of the opposite is shown I will continue to believe this and trust Microsoft.

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  9.    13 Jan 2016 #69
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    Kari.
    Know and understand I have enormous respect for both your knowledge and helpfulness as I am sure do most of our members.
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  10.    13 Jan 2016 #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Kari.
    Know and understand I have enormous respect for both your knowledge and helpfulness as I am sure do most of our members.
    Kari is a star performer
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