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  1.    12 Mar 2016 #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Barman58.
    What will you be doing at 4pm today?
    Anything I like, as long as it's legal I'm single, so no instructions on what to do
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  2.    12 Mar 2016 #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
    Anything I like, as long as it's legal I'm single, so no instructions on what to do
    A Welshman not rugby mad, as someone, a taff on my mothers side, shame on you.
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  3.    12 Mar 2016 #153
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    Not really been following it this year, I work for myself and things have just not worked out to give me the time to sit and watch a game, and I can't just have it playing in the background whilst working as I end up not working properly and missing important parts of a game ( you know last minute winning trys and the like )

    I actually have an electrical problem with the lighting at home so have an appointment with a ladder pencilled in for this afternoon (At my age I find a light in the bathroom at night more important than it used to be )
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  4.    12 Mar 2016 #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Dmex.
    What a superb concise explanation, whether it satisfies the doubters I have my doubts.
    For me it is not about "doubts." It's about choices.

    I don't use Skype or MS email or many of the apps listed in Dmex's excellent post (there have been many excellent posts
    in this thread, some over the top amazing in info and insight).

    No matter the apps/reasons for that data to be taken into others hands and eyes, I just want the choice as to what and
    IF it can by taken. That got left behind a couple of decades ago. Gradually we seem to have given up more and more,
    so now the collection of email content etc seems like just another small thing to some. That's how a lot of pretty scary
    things get going and it is also how we end up calling people who are opposed to all of it "doubters." Whoa.
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  5.    12 Mar 2016 #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frisco View Post
    For me it is not about "doubts." It's about choices.
    No matter the apps/reasons for that data to be taken into others hands and eyes, I just want the choice as to what and
    IF it can by taken. That got left behind a couple of decades ago. Gradually we seem to have given up more and more,
    You do have a choice....open Settings, Privacy, Background Apps....turn on or off.
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  6.    12 Mar 2016 #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    Psssst! Hey Kid! Come here!Wanna see what information about you, any site can glean from your browser alone, when you visit it without a VPN?Take a look at the map too....WhatsMyIP.org | More Info About You
    Yes, the sites you visit will have information about a lot of things, if you let them. Here's what my visit shows, when clicked on the referenced link:

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    And if I want to, I can have this within a minute just by hitting F5, or refresh:

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    It's rather easy to do with the TOR Browser and the user agent switcher. In another word, I can have control over what the website sees about my connection. Not to mention that the website only sees this, if and when I'd click on the link.

    When the same or more extensive data collection is moved in to the operating system, there's no control over the information that will be collected. The data collected in the OS might be just performance data, or everything and the kitchen sink is slurped up.

    MS justifies this collection by saying, that we collect that data so that we make that experience better for everyone. That's somewhat understandable for Windows 10, after all, it is provided as a service. What about previous versions of Windows that MS retrofitted with the same telemetry/data collection? MS wants to have people upgrade to Windows 10 from the earlier versions. The chances are that MS will not make these systems better and more secure the same way as it does Windows 10. In which case, what's the purpose of retrofitting Windows 7 and 8.x with he same data collection?
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  7.    12 Mar 2016 #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    You do have a choice....open Settings, Privacy, Background Apps....turn on or off.
    The question is... Will doing so actually turns off the "feature" selected, or just shows disabled in the GUI? If it's anything like disabling WiFi Sense, disabling in the GUI doesn't do much...
    Last edited by Cr00zng; 12 Mar 2016 at 15:38. Reason: spelling, what I could find...
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  8.    12 Mar 2016 #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr00zng View Post
    The question is... Will doing so actually turns off the "feature" selected, or just shows disabled in the GUI? If it's anything like disabling WiFi Sense, disabling in the GUI doesn't do much...
    Which is why my use of the word "Doubters".... in a previous post.....of which yourself and Frisco are obvious candidates.
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  9.    13 Mar 2016 #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Which is why my use of the word "Doubters".... in a previous post.....of which yourself and Frisco are obvious candidates.
    There's no doubt that disabling WiFi Sense in the GUI does not disable this "feature":

    Windows 10 WiFi sense...

    Questioning, if disabling other telemetry "features" behave the same is a logical next step that you obviously have some trouble comprehending and thus following. As such, you result to nominating people for certain title to discredit their questions and/or findings. That may have worked on the playground, but it does not work in forums. And there's no doubt about that...
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  10.    13 Mar 2016 #160
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    Ok, I guess it's time for me to unsubscribe to this thread.
    The TFH(Click image for larger version. 

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    it's not the question of, is ALL telemetry collected and sent if a user turns it off, that bugs me.
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