Windows 10: Revealed! Crucial detail that Windows 10 privacy critics are missing

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  1.    11 Mar 2016 #131

    Hey wait a minute.. (never read the privacy statement and the service agreement before).. in part (you agree for them to collect):

    "[Y]our first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, … passwords, password hints, and similar security information, … your age, gender, country and preferred language, … your location, … the teams you follow, … the stocks you track, … favorite cities, … credit card number and the security code, … items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter, … IP address, device identifiers, … your contacts and relationships, … your documents, photos, music or video you upload, … subject line and body of email, text or other content of an instant message, audio and video recording of a video message."

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    Privacy Statement

    Sorry.. but it seems scary no matter what we're saying here.
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  2.    11 Mar 2016 #132

    siepo said: View Post
    You may call it analytics, but it is still data collection, and I do not like it. The data may be anonymized, but in many cases it will still be possible to uniquely identify people.
    And should we just trust Microsoft on their say-so that the collected data are innocuous, now and in perpetuity?
    Even basic data collection should be opt-out.
    I absolutely agree. Collecting my data is OK - if they ask for my permission. Else we get onto a slippery slope where I don't want to be.
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  3.    11 Mar 2016 #133

    Frisco said: View Post
    Sorry.. but it seems scary no matter what we're saying here.
    Telemetry has a very specific purpose and does not collect the large majority of the information you linked from the EULA.

    It also helps to put the EULA into perspective. It's not a technical analysis or blueprint, it's a legal document written (only for lawyers) that must cover absolutely everything Microsoft does across the entire machine even if it does not get transmitted back to the company.

    Frisco said: View Post
    favorite cities, the teams you follow, the stocks you track
    The Weather, Map, MSN Sports and MSN Money apps included in Windows 10.

    If you want the weather, map, sports or money apps to show you anything relevant, it needs to 'collect' and 'store' the favorites cities, team information and stocks that you have added and it's the same if you want the Maps app to show you your home address or other favorites, it needs to 'collect' and 'store' the addresses.
    Frisco said: View Post
    your contacts and relationships
    The People app included in Windows 10.

    If you want the app to show you your contacts then it's required to 'collect' and 'store' store your contacts when you add them. You can also add birthdays and other data for the Calendar app to show you reminders.

    Frisco said: View Post
    "[Y]our first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, passwords, password hints, and similar security information, your age, gender, country and preferred language, your location,
    You provide this information when registering a Microsoft, Live or Skype account and purchasing things such as skype credit or items from the Windows Store: https://account.microsoft.com

    This information is also required for account recovery (You will be asked all of the above information when you try recover your account after the password and secret questions have been changed) and purchasing anything online (All of this this information is required by credit card companies to verify the order).

    Frisco said: View Post
    credit card number and the security code
    When you purchase Skype credit or items from the Windows Store: https://account.microsoft.com/billing/payments

    Frisco said: View Post
    items you purchase
    Account billing history: https://commerce.microsoft.com/PaymentHub/Transaction

    The ability to view your Billing history is very important, so Microsoft needs to 'collect' and 'store' items you purchase and every company does this for both legal and security reasons.

    Frisco said: View Post
    the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter
    The Edge and Cortana apps included in Windows 10.

    Firefox, Chrome, Google search and every individual website has been 'collecting' and 'storing' the pages you visit and your search terms for over a decade. I can log into Google analytics and view region, device, gender, age, pages visited, time spent on those pages and a LOT more information about you and others than what is currently being collected by Edge (I can also target specific data using Google Adwords).

    Frisco said: View Post
    IP address, device identifiers
    Every website records IP address and device identifiers.

    This has been recorded by every website and online service for over 20 years and is very important for online security.

    Frisco said: View Post
    your documents, photos, music or video you upload
    The Onedrive app included in Windows 10.

    This information is 'collected' when you upload stuff to Onedrive, then 'stored' in order to show all your data on Onedrive from Explorer or via the website and would be kinda pointless and useless if it didn't.
    Frisco said: View Post
    subject line and body of email
    The Mail app included in Windows 10.

    This information is 'collected' during sync and 'stored' to show your emails when reading your email and opening the app.
    Frisco said: View Post
    text or other content of an instant message, audio and video recording of a video message."
    Skype.

    Web browsers 'collect' and 'store' your favorites, Hotmail and Gmail 'collect' and 'store' the entire content of your email. Just typing into the forum post reply box is considered 'collection' and 'storage' (by Tenforums.com) since the text and images you're about to post on the forum are 'collected' when you type, then 'stored' inside a memory buffer, before being transmitted and 'collected' by a socket and 'stored' inside database files on the server.

    Companies have been sued over not declaring information is 'collected' and 'stored' due to the fact that machines must 'collect' information during an action and 'store' the information in a memory buffer for processing and in a file for logging (For Example; During an online purchase your credit card information is 'collected' then 'stored' inside a memory buffer for the duration of a transaction)... The EULA is a legal document written for lawyers who will sue over things like that. It's stupid but that's why EULAs have to state that you are 'collecting' and 'storing' things even if they are never transmitted back to the company (e.g. Microsoft) and only ever done on the local machine.

    You can see my my last screenshot the the telemetry process used less than 200KB for the entire month and definitely did not contain "web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter, your contacts and relationships, your documents, photos, music or video you upload, email, text or other content of an instant message, audio and video recording of a video message." etc... This data on my machine would be well over 20GB, just look at the statistics for Chrome which used 7GB...

    There are also zero industry security experts backing up the claims of Windows 10 'spying'... I think that's very damning evidence in itself.
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  4.    11 Mar 2016 #134

    I think the real issue here is trust and from Microsoft's own activities they are demonstrating they cannot be trusted.

    And the damning evidence is:

    Labeling optional updates Recommended or Important only to service their own agenda.

    Including superfluous, self-serving BS in Critical Security Updates for IE.

    Obviously MS will do whatever it takes to suit their own purposes.

    If a friend, relative or spouse acted in such a manner would you trust them?
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  5.    12 Mar 2016 #135

    You have to ask yourself whether it is really worth updating your system. If it works, why change. The only thing you get is new bugs. And those so called security updates are not worth very much anyhow.
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       12 Mar 2016 #136

    dmex said: View Post
    Telemetry has a very specific purpose and does not collect the large majority of the information you linked from the EULA.
    ...
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    There are also zero industry security experts backing up the claims of Windows 10 'spying'... I think that's very damning evidence in itself.
    What an excellent post! Rep is not possible in News section, therefore you will have to settle for a public thank you



    gator2013 said: View Post
    If a friend, relative or spouse acted in such a manner would you trust them?
    My ex-wives have hidden my whisky, hit me with about everything smaller and lighter than an ax, called me an idiot in public, told my mates they are no longer allowed to play with me, lied to me, cheated on me, yet I still love all of them and would most probably take at least two of them back if they decided to suggest it
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       12 Mar 2016 #137

    Psssst! Hey Kid! Come here!

    Wanna see what information about you, any site can glean from your browser alone, when you visit it without a VPN?
    Take a look at the map too....
    WhatsMyIP.org | More Info About You
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       12 Mar 2016 #138

    Dmex.
    What a superb concise explanation, whether it satisfies the doubters I have my doubts.
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       12 Mar 2016 #139

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Psssst! Hey Kid! Come here!

    Wanna see what information about you, any site can glean from your browser alone, when you visit it without a VPN?
    Take a look at the map too....
    WhatsMyIP.org | More Info About You
    Interestingly enough although I actually went to the site myself, so the site was aware that I was at a particular address, it could only gain the basic information - that I use Mozilla with a standard set of plug-ins, that I came from here, and went via various Web Servers, The actual personal data, location, Etc was not shown - a correctly configured Industrial grade Firewall will do that
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       12 Mar 2016 #140

    Barman58 said: View Post
    Interestingly enough although I actually went to the site myself, so the site was aware that I was at a particular address, it could only gain the basic information - that I use Mozilla with a standard set of plug-ins, that I came from here, and went via various Web Servers, The actual personal data, location, Etc was not shown - a correctly configured Industrial grade Firewall will do that
    Correctly configured FW? All ports off/closed, except for OS & AV updates
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