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  1.    01 Jan 2016 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    See there's the issue right there. If Microsoft wasn't hoping to trip people up into installing Windows 10 "by accident", why would they then not respect your choice when you previously blocked the update, to not show it again. For those that turn down the update notice, it reappears. And when you hide the telemetry updates that are offered to Windows 7 and 8.1 users, they reappear. Those that are saying "No one forces you to install the updates" would have more of an argument if the updates weren't forced upon you repeatedly.

    By the way, saying "No one is forcing you to click and update" seems somewhat akin to when people argue that giving up privacy shouldn't bother you if you're not doing anything wrong. They're weak arguments and people's choices should be respected. Perhaps Microsoft isn't forcing you to update, but they are not respecting your update choices that you've previously made, by repeatedly showing updates you've blocked.
    Turn off updates then.

    If you find it too hard then install a different OS.

    If you can't figure out how to block updates or install another OS then your are EXACTLY the kind of person who should be automatically updated. It will be safer for you and everyone else.
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  2.    01 Jan 2016 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Turn off updates then.

    If you find it too hard then install a different OS.

    If you can't figure out how to block updates or install another OS then your are EXACTLY the kind of person who should be automatically updated. It will be safer for you and everyone else.
    I have to agree. Win7/Win81. will be both supported for some time and there's no reason to use 10 if one is worried about privacy issues. I don't see any issues but that's only my take on it and I don't mean to demean anyone's feelings on this subject but why get worked up over this when there are options and within the Windows family still.

    My usual 2c on this topic.
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  3.    01 Jan 2016 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Turn off updates then.

    If you find it too hard then install a different OS.

    If you can't figure out how to block updates or install another OS then your are EXACTLY the kind of person who should be automatically updated. It will be safer for you and everyone else.
    You should not have to jump through hoops and go to extraordinary measures to stop the upgrade. You can't easily turn off updates in Windows 10, and you shouldn't have to stop all updates just because of one you don't want. What happened to the user friendly part of Windows? Upgrading is fairly easy, but it seems not upgrading is becoming increasingly difficult.
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  4.    01 Jan 2016 #44
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    OK, here goes a MULTI-QUOTE!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Well said, Inundated.
    Thank you I just don't get what the success or failure of Microsoft's new OS means to anyone.

    I'll just keep on using Windows 10 on this machine, and if Microsoft vaporizes and turns into dust, and if my W10 install magically disappears or turns into crap on this machine, I'd probably just buckle down and learn some flavor of Linux.

    Microsoft vaporizing is not terribly likely, of course, and I'll deal with it if future updates cause problems. For now, I'm happy as the proverbial clam.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    You are probably right - people are not forced. But the setup is such that the innocent cannot fathom the implications when they click on things. Smart people are not going to fall for that. But is this the intent - an OS for smart people only.
    No, this is an OS to carry out Microsoft's future intentions, so they're making it as "seamless as possible" to upgrade. A bit too seemless from my view, but...it's their OS, not yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    Over 200 million is very impressive. I wonder what the number would be if Windows 10 wasn't offered as a free upgrade?
    I don't know why this makes a difference, other to those who want to shout from the rooftops that WINDOWS 10 SUCKS COMPARED TO MY BELOVED 7/8.1!! LOOK, EVERYONE HATES IT, HERE IS PROOF!

    My best guess - the upgrade track would be similar to 7/8.1 if you had to pay for it. Maybe a bit less for a variety of reasons...such as the slowdown in PC growth due to the adoption of mobile.

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    I don't think so you are fair. His/her point is valid. There are others who claim the Edge browser is the best thing since sliced bread and gold sparkles.

    This whole thread is just bla bla anyway. I prefer 10 but so what - it is only my opinion....
    I didn't like Edge last time I tried it, though I've never really used it. I am happily using Chrome, which is faster because my machine is faster under 10.

    If Microsoft forced me into Edge, I'd grumble. But if they did that, a host of government agencies would be on their tails.

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    You should not have to jump through hoops and go to extraordinary measures to stop the upgrade. You can't easily turn off updates in Windows 10, and you shouldn't have to stop all updates just because of one you don't want. What happened to the user friendly part of Windows? Upgrading is fairly easy, but it seems not upgrading is becoming increasingly difficult.
    I agree in principle, but as noted above, Microsoft is trying to make the upgrade as seamless as possible. Again, for me, if the whole thing becomes a mess, I guess I would head for Linux land.
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  5.    01 Jan 2016 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inundated View Post
    OK, here goes a MULTI-QUOTE!
    Well done on that - perhaps there is an easy way but I never figured it out - I end up just copy pasting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Inundated View Post
    I'd probably just buckle down and learn some flavor of Linux.
    No you won't. You'd have done it already if you wanted to. It isn't like the year is still 1993.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inundated View Post
    For now, I'm happy as the proverbial clam.
    Not sure what that means but sounds a bit saucy
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  6.    01 Jan 2016 #46

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Turn off updates then.

    If you find it too hard then install a different OS.

    If you can't figure out how to block updates or install another OS then your are EXACTLY the kind of person who should be automatically updated. It will be safer for you and everyone else.
    I don't find it that hard myself (frustrating yes, but not hard). It's not me that I'm discussing. And to say I'm the kind of person that should be upgraded for everybody's safety is just plain insulting. I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology, and if I want to stay on a past OS that's still receiving updates, I should be able to do so without being nagged. I loathe how you guys attempt to belittle that point. If I'm honouring EULA terms of a still supported OS, I should have able to use the product without being pushed into a new OS I don't want.

    It's easy for many of you to take the stance you do because you like Windows 10. And that's great. But it really seems that if you are on the board and dislike Windows 10, that we're being perceived as trouble makers. Hey I tried the TP and the final and I dislike it, but I still want to see where development goes. So I keep reading, and I should be able to express my opinions.
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  7.    01 Jan 2016 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Turn off updates then.

    If you find it too hard then install a different OS.

    If you can't figure out how to block updates or install another OS then your are EXACTLY the kind of person who should be automatically updated. It will be safer for you and everyone else.
    Well said and I agree totally.
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  8.    01 Jan 2016 #48

    Quote Originally Posted by Inundated View Post
    I don't know why this makes a difference [regarding Windows selling as high as 200 million only because of how the upgrade is carried out], other to those who want to shout from the rooftops that WINDOWS 10 SUCKS COMPARED TO MY BELOVED 7/8.1!! LOOK, EVERYONE HATES IT, HERE IS PROOF!
    Someone who wants to analyze the business side of Microsoft and its successes or failures may want to know how Microsoft amassed the number of sales or installs that they have. Perhaps it serves as a barometer to predict future sales trends, or future OS usage trends.

    Make no mistake, Microsoft wants Windows 10 to revitalize PC/notebook sales as part of its mission. So have the free upgrades done that? Maybe. Maybe not. So nothing wrong with looking at the numbers objectively.
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  9.    01 Jan 2016 #49
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    A lot of folks must think W-10 is not all that great.

    When compared to previous months the growth rate for W-10 dropped to under 1% for December 2015.

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  10.    01 Jan 2016 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Well done on that - perhaps there is an easy way but I never figured it out - I end up just copy pasting...
    It's actually pretty easy. See that little quote graphic next to "Reply With Quote", with the + sign next to it? Click on that for each message you want to quote, then click on the main "Reply to Thread" link.

    The buffer will open up with all the messages you clicked the plus sign for, even on previous pages.

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    No you won't. You'd have done it already if you wanted to. It isn't like the year is still 1993.
    And I don't want to. I'd only go that route if Windows 10 became unusable on this machine. It hasn't, so I'm sticking around.

    And maybe "buckle down" was a bit much. I know today's Linux distros have graphical windowed interfaces. But...there'd still be a bit of a learning curve, even for someone like me.

    But...no need for me to go that route at all, right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    Not sure what that means but sounds a bit saucy
    It's an old American idiom - "happy as a clam". Though I have no idea why people think clams are happy. Not saucy at all, unless you have clam sauce....

    And I see you're from Hungary. After over 50 years, someone poked into my family tree, and I discovered that my great grandfather on my father's side is from Hungary. All these years, I thought his side of the family was German and English!!!
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