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  1.    28 Dec 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I know it's a choice but kinda interferes with cold logic.
    Depends on who's "cold logic" I guess.....lol
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  2.    28 Dec 2015 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    Depends on who's "cold logic" I guess.....lol
    Except there's no my or your logic, it's impersonal, like math.
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  3.    28 Dec 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Except there's no my or your logic, it's impersonal, like math.
    I always hated math.....grrrrr lol I will never try to change your mind, plus.....I like you....you old fart!!! Think we might even be close in age.....course MY beard is much neater looking then yours.
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  4.    28 Dec 2015 #84
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    Hi,

    If no garbage accumulates in a Windows install, why do some people reinstall Windows every few months and then claim that their PC runs much better?
    People should try running a thorough registry cleaner just to see how much useless keys are already present right after the install is finished.
    Dot net framework also is notorious for adding pointers to a ton of files that aren't there, Silverlight, same story etc. , etc.
    The more you use that pc, the bigger the registry gets because Windows just keeps track of things most aren't aware of.

    After every monthly check you can be sure you can delete 50 odd keys from the registry. Not that they're harmful per se but why keep trash if you can get rid of it?

    Would leaving these keys in be causing trouble in the future ? Who knows, we've just starting to use this OS anyhow.

    In the mean time, I like to keep things mean and lean. With a decent registry cleaner you'd really have to be "stupid" to run into trouble and besides, a decent registry cleaner automatically backs up whatever it removes so what's the big deal ?

    I take no fun out of reinstalling Windows, especially not one that comes with so many errors that need manual fixing anyway....

    Cheers,
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  5.    28 Dec 2015 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    I always hated math.....grrrrr lol I will never try to change your mind, plus.....I like you....you old fart!!! Think we might even be close in age.....course MY beard is much neater looking then yours.
    But, but, but.... I'm only 68 and my beard is older than most people i know (the rest are dead) !!!!
    Yes Mr. Spock is my idol.
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  6.    28 Dec 2015 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    But, but, but.... I'm only 68 and my beard is older than most people i know (the rest are dead) !!!!
    Yes Mr. Spock is my idol.
    Ok then I'm the young pup then as I am only 65, and Spock was my 2nd favorite....Kirk was my favorite.
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  7.    28 Dec 2015 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    Ok then I'm the young pup then as I am only 65, and Spock was my 2nd favorite....Kirk was my favorite.
    Lt. Uhura was nice too.
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  8.    28 Dec 2015 #88
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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Just wondering how anyone could accumulate 4gb of internet cache?? Really???
    Easy to do if using Edge as a browser.

    Cheers,
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  9.    28 Dec 2015 #89
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    What's the bet that system cleaners delete the accumulated "surveillance" data that MS wants to sell?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geneo View Post
    Seriously? Where does that come from. Have you ever heard of any attack that was enabled by an unused registry key? If an attacker has access to your registry, he can do whatever he wants, but how would an unused registry key be of use to the attacker if they don't have access to your registry?
    Note the use of the word "may".

    Empty keys are probably not an issue, depending exactly how Registry permissions and software interacts.
    Leftover keys can contain anything, including commands:
    For example, .ccd key > "C:\Program Files (x86)\ImgBurn\ImgBurn.exe" /MODE WRITE /SOURCE "%1"

    I hypothesise that they could be used in a multi-part attack; contaminated "trialware" installers in combination with special files or Internet sites.
    The uninstaller for the contaminated installer uninstalls the program, but it "accidentally" leaves a stack of keys, which are used by the real attack.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geneo View Post
    I don't clean my registry and my PC has never slowed down. I don't reinstall either.

    The only thing I ever do is remove unused devices from the device manager (show all devices, even ones not in use, and uninstall them). Those are the only registry entries that might matter, and that is the proper way to remove them,
    All OS installs slow down over time, even Linux Distros.
    My W10 IP VM with a handful of software (without Office or Adobe bloatware) takes twice as long to boot, as an empty W10 IP VM took.

    In W7, winsxs seems to fill up with junk.
    A clean install of the OS and using latest program installers, seems to run faster than an old install (on my PC).

    My W7 used to sometimes boot up in ~30 seconds (even just after SP1).
    Before I replaced my HDD with an SSD (a few weeks ago) it rarely booted in under ~55 seconds.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    my own view on this is that if you need a registry cleaner then you should either re-install windows from new or restore from a good backup.

    These days with really cheap storage there's NO EXCUSE WHATEVER for not taking loads of backups -- I always take one before installing software in case the software doesn't work, I don't like it or I prefer the "previous" version.
    Most ordinary users don't create Backup Images OR run Registry Cleaners.

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Just wondering how anyone could accumulate 4gb of internet cache?? Really???
    The first time I tried CCleaner was pre-W7 (on XP) and my Internet cache had 2 GB of junk in it.

    In 2012, I cleaned a friend's mother's XP machine and it had 4 GB of junk.
    I assume that it was still the original install and no cleaners (including Disk Cleanup) had ever been run on it.

    Even though I almost never use IE10, CCleaner always finds entries in the Internet cache (FF/PM use their own cache folder).

    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    My friend insists using IObit system care all the time and it invariably screws up his system, has to reinstall his W10 every couple of month.
    Quote Originally Posted by TairikuOkami View Post
    Just to add to this interesting discussion, I find it funny, that most people, who do not recommend registry cleaners, never actually used them. Their opinions are based on reviews of people, who used a fake software like from iobit.
    I've tried some IObit software (several years ago) and I wasn't impressed.
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  10.    29 Dec 2015 #90
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    Oh hell yah, CCleaner still comes up with hundreds of old entries.
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