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  1.    08 Jan 2015 #61

    Hi

    Everyone who buys a new PC will get Windows 10.
    Thats about 5.5 Million PCs a year.

    I doubt that more than a tiny percentage of people would downgrade their new computer to an earlier version of Windows.

    How many people will upgrade from 7 and 8?

    That's up in the air but everyone I know plans on updating from 8, some of my friends who are running 7 say then won't upgrade until they get a new computer, but my friend Paul plans on updating his Windows 7 computer to 10.

    But no one I know keeps their computer more than 5 years or so, but they are all into performance, I suppose some people keep their computers for 10 years.

    But by then I assume we'll be running Windows 11 or 12, maybe 13, (I think they should skip that and go to 14)?

    By the way, I just read an article that discussed why PC sales are going up relative to tablet sales.

    Businesses and consumers alike are again purchasing PCs, and Mac sales are on the rise year-over-year. Businesses in particular are forced to upgrade older PCs now that Windows XP is no longer supported. When purchasing a new PC, the main driver to choose a PC versus a tablet is fairly obvious: If you are creating any type of content regularly, you need a keyboard, a larger screen, and (for most businesses) Microsoft Office.

    Mike
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       08 Jan 2015 #62

    Lee said: View Post
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    Lee said: View Post
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    There was a discussion of a free OS with advertisement. I don't know whether we would like that.

    But then there is always Linux. I bet half of the PC users could very well live with a nice Linux distro like Mint. But the PC manufacturers do not offer that. I really wonder why. Have a look how nice it can be.
    What is WHS. . .you just can't get away from pushing Linux on a Windows forum. . .
    I am not pushing anything. I just point out options. I am a Windows pro and Linux is my hobby. You have to keep an open mind. But maybe you care to tell me what's wrong with Linux.
    Why do you need to point it out. . .really see no reason to even mention Linux on a windows forum. Most of the folks on this forum already know about Linux, and those who don't probably wouldn't use it anyway.
    Where would you like to acquaint people with Linux if not here - on a cooking or gardening forum?? And although many people here may have heard the word "Linux", few probably have used a Linux distro. And in these days where everybody gets hacked and snooped on it is an excellent additional tool to have some peace of mind when you operate on the internet.

    But those that do not want to learn anything or are just narrow minded, can easily skip my comments.
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  3.    08 Jan 2015 #63

    MikeHawthorne said: View Post
    Hi

    Everyone who buys a new PC will get Windows 10.
    Thats about 5.5 Million PCs a year.

    I doubt that more than a tiny percentage of people would downgrade their new computer to an earlier version of Windows.

    How many people will upgrade from 7 and 8?

    That's up in the air but everyone I know plans on updating from 8, some of my friends who are running 7 say then won't upgrade until they get a new computer, but my friend Paul plans on updating his Windows 7 computer to 10.

    But no one I know keeps their computer more than 5 years or so, but they are all into performance, I suppose some people keep their computers for 10 years.

    But by then I assume we'll be running Windows 11 or 12, maybe 13, (I think they should skip that and go to 14)?

    By the way, I just read an article that discussed why PC sales are going up relative to tablet sales.

    Businesses and consumers alike are again purchasing PCs, and Mac sales are on the rise year-over-year. Businesses in particular are forced to upgrade older PCs now that Windows XP is no longer supported. When purchasing a new PC, the main driver to choose a PC versus a tablet is fairly obvious: If you are creating any type of content regularly, you need a keyboard, a larger screen, and (for most businesses) Microsoft Office.

    Mike
    LOL, I am just the opposite, everyone I know keeps their PC's forever, I just gave a friend, one of my older systems, an older AMD machine, he was running a Pentium 4 with XP ..

    I have been trying to talk my brother into getting a new system, he just refuses and continues to run his Vista machine.

    My neighbors brother still runs, all of his business PC's on XP (15 machines). He won't upgrade either.

    They could care less, what the rest of the computing world does, just as long as their systems keep running.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       08 Jan 2015 #64

    MikeHawthorne said: View Post
    Hi

    No one I know keeps their computer more than 5 years or so, but they are all into performance, I suppose some people keep their computers for 10 years.


    Mike
    Since, you said no one I know keeps their computer more than 5 years. Now, you do. I still have a windows 98se that at least 16 years old but I didn't get till 8 years ago and it is still working. This electric surge damaged the network card a few months ago, before then I was able to get online with 98se.
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  5.    08 Jan 2015 #65

    groze said: View Post
    Jimbo45, Are you running windows 10 in a virtual machine with the Virtual Machine itself being installed on Linux?
    Hi there.

    Running VMWARE workstation 10.0.4 / vmplayer V6 on LINUX CENTOS 7 HOST with W10 as a VM (W10 build 9879 - Enterprise x-64).

    Set USB compatibility to 2.0 (Host Linux runs USB 3.0 OK but not sure if it's VMWARE USB drivers or W10 USB support -- sometimes with USB 3.0 set the VM hangs and needs the HOST also to re-boot !!!!.

    VMware workstation 11.0 has problems with W10 at times -- the taskbar disappears and you can't launch anything unless you exit FULL SCREEN. Connecting USB devices also fails at times -- VM says connected but you can't access them -- so I'm staying on the 10.0.4 VMWARE release (or vmplayer 6) -- works perfectly.

    So recap - HOST is LINUX CENTOS 7 - GUESTS - W10, W7 and W8.1 all X-64 and XP (still using daily !!).

    Here's W10 running on Linux Host.

    You can run a VM in a VM but I wouldn't advise doing it -- at least not on typical home computers / laptops. CPU /Memory is often powerful enough but even SSD's (consumer grade) aren't really good enough for this -- standard spinners would just be HOPELESS even with i7 CPU. !!!! The Disk I/O would just KILL the machine stone dead.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       08 Jan 2015 #66

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    My neighbors brother still runs, all of his business PC's on XP (15 machines). He won't upgrade either.
    I hope those machines are not connected to the internet. If they are, They're a disaster waiting to happen, since they're insecure bot-fodder. He'll care when they get taken over by a bot network and he finds them encrypted by a random ransomware Trojan and all of his files and data lost.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
    Posts : 446
    Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit and VM
       08 Jan 2015 #67

    OK. Here are a few things I can remember about beta testing for Microsoft. In England in 1997 I beta tested Windows 98. I was sent in the mail a CD and a non disclosure agreement. Anyone who found a bug that was able to be duplicated got a copy of Windows 98 when it went gold. I could not find anything wrong with it on my PII 350 Mhz with 128mb of ram and 8 meg ATi graphics card. It all worked perfectly and the only thing that screwed up was AOL AIM which had a memory leak like it did on 95. No free windows for me. It was about 60GBP for the OEM version which I bought.
    Later I worked for Thomson and Best Buy and beta tested Vista. Told them what I thought. They still farmed out the OS with underpowered machines and damaged its reputation beyond fixable. Seriously the machines were stupidly underpowered as Intel did not want to be left with a pile of crap CPU's and chipsets so drivers were written for them even though the CPU could barely run Vista with 256 mb of RAM. I stuck to XP. Windows 7, got beta's for that, this was new we could download the ISO. You could for Vista too but not so many had broadband then. Loved 7. Got several copies on Ultimate for $15 by entering competitions with Best Buy. I had a DVD two weeks before release to the general public. Upgrades were available for cheap. If you remember Home Premium 3 packs for the price of 1.
    Did Beta testing for 8. Told them what I thought, they took no notice and released it with no start menu like previous version. Had recently bought a Netbook from New Egg and got a Windows 8 Pro licence for $15. If you just wanted to upgrade the price was $30 plus tax. I also was bought one for Xmas and obtained a further licence from a member. I am using 2 of them with 2 x Media center licences. I believe when 10 is released we will be able to get the pro version for $10 to $15 plus more money for a DVD to be shipped to you. I suspect there may be a family pack. The computer market is saturated. I have 5 years on my Windows 7 installations. I will most likely buy a few copies for upgrades to my main machines. So far I have liked some of Windows 10. Some of it gets up my nose like the PC settings arrangement. On a desktop Control panel looks far more sensible to me. As to M$ layoffs I suspect they fired the guys who do a lot of the testing. Checking out "fixes" on various hardware and software combos. This is normal. Testers cost a lot of money and if you want the figures to work that way they are an unneeded extra. So a few thousand get their machines bricked. Could have happened to anyone. I have seen companies do this several times before and everything hits the fan till the fly boy in control says "They told me that but I figured they were covering their aspects". So there will be a painful period followed by the fix and more testers will be hired to test software. So it breaks down to this. Buy a PC get "free" Windows 10. Upgrades downloadable for the first 3 months (Early Adopters) $10 - $15. After 3 months back to the absurd pricing of $100 for Core and $200 for Pro etc. On cheap devices core is free to the OEM partners. I do not know if we will be able to download the free version which sells your data.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       08 Jan 2015 #68

    Mystere said: View Post
    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    My neighbors brother still runs, all of his business PC's on XP (15 machines). He won't upgrade either.
    I hope those machines are not connected to the internet. If they are, They're a disaster waiting to happen, since they're insecure bot-fodder. He'll care when they get taken over by a bot network and he finds them encrypted by a random ransomware Trojan and all of his files and data lost.
    This guy will have to learn the hard way.
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  9. Joined : Nov 2013
    Houston
    Posts : 1,394
    Win-7Prox64 Win-8.1Prox64 Win-10Prox64
       08 Jan 2015 #69

    He probably has pcmatic he'll be fine according to the commercials
    Racking up the x-p suckers
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       08 Jan 2015 #70

    I thought Microsoft was allowing certain businesses and enterprises to keep getting security updates for windows xp operating system. One example is ATM's(Automated Teller Machines) also called ABM's.
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