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  1.    17 Dec 2015 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbarnhorst View Post
    If you didn't know did you at least try it? Not that I want more people finishing the survey. After all there is a $2000 prize involved.

    I did manage to finish the survey. When it comes to winning contests I'm not very lucky so you don't have to worry about me winning. ☺
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  2.    17 Dec 2015 #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEWB View Post
    Umm, no. Did you take the survey?

    I have designed surveys for major corporations and this MS survey is self-serving and direction-driven - there is no place for true critique.

    Regards,
    GEWB
    Of course its self-serving. The survey states that. You can write a true critique anytime you want and submit it directly to Microsoft.
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  3.    17 Dec 2015 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cbarnhorst View Post
    You are a contrarian. It doesn't matter what anybody says, you feel the need to contradict. The Linux community has a treat in store.
    I used to be a bow to Microsoft for a very long time. Hated the issues with Dos 4.0 and Win ME. No problems with any others. Griped when they started the Ribbon crap, but dealt with it.

    I played around with Linux off and on for the past 14 years, but held out until it was a lot more stable. It was 8 that started the move towards 100% Linux in the home. When 10586 came out and I spent more time fixing Microsoft's mistakes. That is when I finally threw in the towel.

    When you have to spend three days fixing something that Microsoft screwed up from one of their patches. It is time to move on. I have a family and a life. If an OS is talking control. The end user should never have to place family last.

    Incorrect. Linux and BSD have the largest market share in the server market. The laptop and desktop is finally starting to take off. Especially with a lot of people who are getting upset of the mob style tactics, in how Microsoft is trying to push the upgrade on the end users.

    If someone wants to stay with 7 or 8.1. Same with Office 2010 or 2013. They should not be held by gun point and have 10 forced on them. There are a lot of machines out there that cannot run 10, that are getting forced for the user to upgrade.

    Now you are seeing the same issues with the Surface 4, as you do with the Surface 3 for hardware issues. Microsoft is trying to hold on their largest market, which is Enterprise. Home and student users are a very small number.

    Also those numbers that Microsoft keeps publishing are downloads, but they do not subtract those installs that have been deleted, or the user has changed OS or Hardware platforms, to move away from Windows all together.

    I pulled 10 off of my wife's laptop and installed Linux Mint 17.3 on it. No complaints. She is very computer savy and has had no issues yet. All that she does is browse the web and send emails. If we want to play video games, that is what our Fire TV box is for.
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  4.    17 Dec 2015 #44
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    Windows 10 Insider Program Survey


    Quote Originally Posted by Cbarnhorst View Post
    Actually, the Mint dvd is a live dvd, so it is even easier trying it that way than making a vm or partition. I find the Linux groups to be more buisinesslike than unfriendly, although there are occasional potshots at Windows.
    It depends on what forums you are going to. Brink has made these forums very user friendly. I would rather sell the experience and help from here, then point them to dsl or BC, where the members love to Castrate and Ostracize people. Same with the Comcast and ATT forums.

    We all at this point for a lot of us like myself, feel like we are doing nothing but Beta Testing the OS for the Enterprise market at this point.

    10 does do a lot of fixing problems on its on, I can give that much to Microsoft. The issue that they need to fix, is to move away from this whole Legacy way of building Windows and Server.

    If we argue about Distro's like car buffs argue about cars. We just end up chasing our tails.

    I have had a couple of users come on here, that have had Samba or FreeNAS issues and have helped them. That is because I support both ends of the spectrum.

    We now have to look at this as that people are wanting to start playing with Linux, because you are starting to hear about it in tv and movies more. The biggest show that is Pro-Linux is Big Bang Theory.

    As for the topic at hand about the survey. It is a royal mess for whoever drafted it and does not understand that Surveys are supposed to flow like a flow chart.

    The enticement on this is tgat they are dangling a prize, like a Carrot on a stick, to force people to finish it.

    It comes down to the whole reason for the survey is to keep the Insider program alive. Because it is a very valuable resource that a couple of employees for Microsoft that said let's do this and be the new Pirates of computing, know and understand that there are thousands of workers jobs on the line, if 10, Office 2016, Server 2016 fails, just like the 8800 that got let go from the Lumina division.
    Last edited by bro67; 17 Dec 2015 at 14:49.
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  5.    17 Dec 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    That is your chance to tell MS how you feel about the program, positive or negative. Plus you got a chance to win a surface.
    I do not want or need a Surface. I already have a laptop, my phone and tablet.

    You do not need a survey to tell someone how you feel about a product. The survey is too long and you have no out when you get to the part in the beginning, that you only have one way through the gate.

    Whoever wrote it, should have realized that if more then 60% of the answers are no. The survey should end and take you to the exit and just record it as incomplete and mark you off as present but no vote. That was and still is my whole gripe from the beginning of this topic.
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  6.    17 Dec 2015 #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    I do not want or need a Surface. I already have a laptop, my phone and tablet.

    You do not need a survey to tell someone how you feel about a product. The survey is too long and you have no out when you get to the part in the beginning, that you only have one way through the gate.

    Whoever wrote it, should have realized that if more then 60% of the answers are no. The survey should end and take you to the exit and just record it as incomplete and mark you off as present but no vote. That was and still is my whole gripe from the beginning of this topic.
    The best way to provide feedback on 10 is via the feedback app. I use it all the time to post my feedback and check out others feedback. The survey is nice but it's so generic it's useless for some members.
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  7.    17 Dec 2015 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    I do not want or need a Surface. I already have a laptop, my phone and tablet.

    You do not need a survey to tell someone how you feel about a product. The survey is too long and you have no out when you get to the part in the beginning, that you only have one way through the gate.

    Whoever wrote it, should have realized that if more then 60% of the answers are no. The survey should end and take you to the exit and just record it as incomplete and mark you off as present but no vote. That was and still is my whole gripe from the beginning of this topic.
    But that's what surveys are for? How do you tell MS then (other than the feedback)?
    I don't think anyone needs a surface here. But there's no harm if you try and win or lose.
    The way out is to close the browser.
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  8.    17 Dec 2015 #48
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    Windows 10 Insider Program Survey


    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    But that's what surveys are for? How do you tell MS then (other than the feedback)?
    I don't think anyone needs a surface here. But there's no harm if you try and win or lose.
    The way out is to close the browser.
    I do not do surveys that do not give you an out and are more than five questions.

    I am not in need of something that you will never see. If you are that desperate for the prize. Then spend your money on something that will last. Not end up in the junk pile after it breaks.

    My feedback is with my wallet, not some random survey from Microsoft, that we do not even have accounts with anymore.
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  9.    17 Dec 2015 #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    The best way to provide feedback on 10 is via the feedback app. I use it all the time to post my feedback and check out others feedback. The survey is nice but it's so generic it's useless for some members.
    I never use the feedback mechanisms, unless it is something critical. Such as the iOS Facebook app does not understand Burmese. That went straight to the top, because it is a high priority problem, since we sponsor a girl at a private boarding school for those kids who families live in the villages and do not have the money to afford an education for their children to get out of the cycle of poverty.
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  10.    17 Dec 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    I do not do surveys that do not give you an out and are more than five questions.

    I am not in need of something that you will never see. If you are that desperate for the prize. Then spend your money on something that will last. Not end up in the junk pile after it breaks.

    My feedback is with my wallet, not some random survey from Microsoft, that we do not even have accounts with anymore.
    Nobody is forcing anybody to do the survey. Someone put up the topic and we're just saying that we did the survey. If you didn't do it, it's fine. It's nobody's loss. The survey is not random. It's specifically made for Insiders.
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