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  1.    27 Dec 2014 #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.

    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    jimbo that sounds like me except for torrents.

    Jimbo
    I think you understood what I was trying to say but I didn't mean to offend anyone. They are still misinterpreting what I said. The larger text I was just trying to emphasized what I meant. They also need to look up what out of box thinking is. I have a different way of looking at things. I corrected my post. I standby by my correction. Can't we disagree here? Articles can be interpreted different ways. Just for info I have been using a computer since windows 95 came out. You can be surprised what I can do. If fact, I created a my own backup program for windows 98se using pkdos & a batch file until I got Norton's Ghost.
    How is " End users are not suppose test windows 10" out of the box thinking??
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  2.    27 Dec 2014 #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    ...BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.
    That's me!
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  3.    27 Dec 2014 #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.

    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    jimbo that sounds like me except for torrents.

    Jimbo
    I think you understood what I was trying to say but I didn't mean to offend anyone. They are still misinterpreting what I said. The larger text I was just trying to emphasized what I meant. They also need to look up what out of box thinking is. I have a different way of looking at things. I corrected my post. I standby by my correction. Can't we disagree here? Articles can be interpreted different ways. Just for info I have been using a computer since windows 95 came out. You can be surprised what I can do. If fact, I created a my own backup program for windows 98se using pkdos & a batch file until I got Norton's Ghost.
    How is " End users are not suppose test windows 10" out of the box thinking??
    I said I worded it wrong in post #22 . I even edited the original post to point to the corrected post, so this wouldn't be re-hased. I know this will cause some complaints, but I agree with Jimbo, that what I was really trying to say without offending people . However, I didn't mean end user should or should not try windows 10 previews I could careless who tries it or who doesn't try it.
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  4.    27 Dec 2014 #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    ...BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.
    That's me!
    LOL Dido!!
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  5.    27 Dec 2014 #35
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    . . .Seems as if someone got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. . .
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  6.    27 Dec 2014 #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Due to my out of box thinking I interpreted articles incorrectly and Microsoft incorrectly.
    Wikipedia: Thinking outside the box (also thinking out of the box[1][2] or thinking beyond the box) is a metaphor that means to think differently, unconventionally, or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel or creative thinking.
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  7.    27 Dec 2014 #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    How is " End users are not suppose test windows 10" out of the box thinking??
    Thinking outside the box (also thinking out of the box[1][2] or thinking beyond the box) is a metaphor that means to think differently, unconventionally, or from a new perspective. This phrase often refers to novel or creative thinking.

    That would be my question too, Bunny.
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  8.    27 Dec 2014 #38
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    How many time are you guys going to rehash a statement I corrected? By they way I do think differently. That why I have a learning disability but I am real good with computers but my social skills sometimes suck.
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  9.    27 Dec 2014 #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.
    I'm pretty much in agreement, Jimbo. Once we BTs (beta testers) get through breaking Windows 10 TP, though, especially if we're in the Enterprise (folks whose company is testing Windows 10 corporate wide) we kinda need the IT guys and gals.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Yeppers, Jim. A very, very wide cross-section of the computer using populace is necessary for a particular product to be thoroughly tested. Suzie, who's working with her first computer would probably not be a great BT; however, if her brother Bill puts the product on her computer because he thinks she can benefit, she may be a good one after all. At the very least, she will be able to follow the forum(s) (much like what we have here) and ask for help when she needs it.

    As a BT for approximately 25 years (wow, has it been that long since 1990?) and computer user for the past 30, I can say without a doubt that no one BT can test and/or find what's wrong with everything changed, new, jacked up, dumbed down, filled with bugs, etc. of any application, be it Windows, Office, Office Online, Office for Android, to name only a few.

    Ever heard of "dogfood"? That's sort of an alpha version of an alpha version of brand new software. [Someone's been thinking outside the box again!]When you get to test "dogfood", you've arrived as a BT. Some of it goes on to greatness and some of it gets abandoned early or late.

    So, all in all, in my not so humble opinion, beta testers should be from every walk of life as long as they have a computer and understand how to break it with betas.
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  10.    27 Dec 2014 #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    How many time are you guys going to rehash a statement I corrected? By they way I do think differently. That why I have a learning disability but I am real good with computers but my social skills sometimes suck.
    No problem bro. I understand.
    Have a good day,
    Jeff
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