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  1. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
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    Windows 10 Pro x64
       26 Dec 2014 #21

    groze said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    The average user should be allowed to test the TP just as much as the "expert" is. You seem to be coming off as a bit elitist, IMO.
    I am nothing like an elitist. Now don't put word into my mouth. I am just pointing out what Microsoft said not what I said. I don't give a hoot who tries Windows 10 preview. There would be no need for a consumer preview if consumers are already testing windows 10 just my opinion.
    Sorry, but you said that the:
    End users are not suppose test windows 10 but Microsoft is not forbidding them for doing so.
    All MS said was that the tester needed experience when testing the TP. That's far from what you stated above. The need for the Consumer Preview is to provide a more stable version of the TP.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       26 Dec 2014 #22

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    groze said: View Post
    BunnyJ said: View Post
    The average user should be allowed to test the TP just as much as the "expert" is. You seem to be coming off as a bit elitist, IMO.
    I am nothing like an elitist. Now don't put word into my mouth. I am just pointing out what Microsoft said not what I said. I don't give a hoot who tries Windows 10 preview. There would be no need for a consumer preview if consumers are already testing windows 10 just my opinion.
    Sorry, but you said that the:
    End users are not suppose test windows 10 but Microsoft is not forbidding them for doing so.


    All MS said was that the tester needed experience when testing the TP. That's far from what you stated above. The need for the Consumer Preview is to provide a more stable version of the TP.
    Ok, I worded it wrong Sorry. When I post stuff, I base it on what Microsoft says or My opinion or what I read on web sites. I call an end user a consumer. When windows 10 preview first came a lot of tech sites say Windows 10 Preview is not for the average user-I am not saying that they are. That in bold is basically what I was trying to say.

    Sample right here. I am not saying I agree with it.

    Why The Windows 10 Technical Preview Should Not Be Your Main OS
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,653
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       26 Dec 2014 #23

    groze said: View Post

    It actually suppose to be for PC experts, IT pros and enterprise, nothing about the average Jane or Joe (No offense meant to the average Jane or Joe). There was supposed to be a Consumer Preview released in Jan or Feb 2015 but may have been delayed till April or later but we wont no for sure until the last part of Jan 2015 hopefully. I assumed the Consumer previews will be for the average Jane or Joe.
    What are you talking about? Who are you to tell us who's supposed to try Windows 10 and who's not? Are you saying that we're not qualified to test Windows 10? Just how would you happen to know that!?!? I would hazard a guess that everyone in the Windows 10 Forums is a PC expert. Not only that, but I know for a fact that there are a number of IT Pros in here as well!

    I, and probably every other member of these forums, qualify on very bullet in the listing below. As far as the last bullet goes, I use this computer every day so that I can give Windows a good going over. However, it isn't my "everyday" machine. So, who are you to accuse us of wrongdoing just because you, by your own statement, broke the rules!?

    If this isn't a consumer TP, how do you explain that I was able to download the consumer version of Windows 10? I help senior citizens with the consumer version of Windows, so why shouldn't I be able to use the consumer version?

    groze said: View Post
    Most average Janes or Joes wouldn't want the same thing as PC experts or IT pro. I didn't say "ALL" I am sure there would be a few that would want the same thing.
    Huh? Looking down on us now? So, you know exactly what we should want? Do you even know what you're saying?

    Don't you realize that Windows 10 was built for the "Average Janes and Joes"? It wasn't built for the PC expert or the IT Pro or even the Enterprise. It is very important that Microsoft get feedback from those for whom Windows 10 was built, for goodness sake!

    groze said: View Post
    If you're a PC expert or an IT pro, come on a journey with us and be part of creating the best Windows yet.

    Download and install the preview only if you

    • Want to try out software that’s still in development and like sharing your opinion about it.
    • Don’t mind lots of updates or a UI design that might change significantly over time.
    • Really know your way around a PC and feel comfortable troubleshooting problems, backing up data, formatting a hard drive, installing an operating system from scratch, or restoring your old one if necessary.
    • Know what an ISO file is and how to use it.
    • Aren't installing it on your everyday computer. (Some are not doing that, I was one of those not using a test machine though.)

      Things to keep in mind

      Unexpected PC crashes could damage or even delete your files, so you should back up everything. Some printers and other hardware might not work, and some software might not install or work correctly, including antivirus or security programs. You might also have trouble connecting to home or corporate networks. Also, if your PC runs into problems, Microsoft will likely examine your system files. If the privacy of your system files is a concern, consider using a different PC.


    [/QUOTE]

    And now, we come to the nitty gritty of the matter. The above list is a guideline, not a strict requirement for the Windows 10 tester.

    We, the testers of the Windows 10 Technical Preview, need to know what we're getting into if we want to test. We're even told what might happen to our systems if we choose to put Windows 10 on our everyday computers.

    Oh, and by the way, Microsoft doesn't waffle on Terms and Conditions.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2014
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       27 Dec 2014 #24

    Wynona, you quoted a thread I corrected in a follow up post. See post #22


    Just for the record, I am not telling anyone to or not to test the windows 10 preview. That is each person choice. I believe in freedom of choice. What I was trying to pass on is what Microsoft said or what a tech article said, not me saying it. I was just pointing out what the articles says that is all. See I even took the articles literally myself as not to test it. I waited awhile but went ahead and risked it for awhile and tested 10 out. It all how you interpret the articles. I also don't look down at people either. Due to my out of box thinking I interpreted articles incorrectly and Microsoft incorrectly.
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  5. Joined : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
    Posts : 4,534
    OS X, Win 10
       27 Dec 2014 #25

    groze said: View Post
    Wynona, you quoted a thread I corrected in a follow up post. See post #22


    Just for the record, I am not telling anyone to or not to test the windows 10 preview. That is each person choice. I believe in freedom of choice. What I was trying to pass on is what Microsoft said or what a tech article said, not me saying it. I was just pointing out what the articles says that is all. See I even took the articles literally myself as not to test it. I waited awhile but went ahead and risked it for awhile and tested 10 out. It all how you interpret the articles. I also don't look down at people either. Due to my out of box thinking I interpreted articles incorrectly and Microsoft incorrectly.
    Hmmmmmmmmmm!, wonder why your text is so large. . .. . ., and by the why leave us average users alone we actually know more about computers then some folks think. . ..
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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,653
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       27 Dec 2014 #26

    [QUOTE=Lee;175707]
    groze said: View Post
    Wynona, you quoted a thread I corrected in a follow up post. See post #22


    Hmmmmmmmmmm!, wonder why your text is so large. . .. . ., and by the way leave us average users alone we actually know more about computers than some folks think. . ..
    Exactly, Lee. Exactly!
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  7.    27 Dec 2014 #27

    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.

    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 27 Dec 2014 at 06:12.
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  8. Joined : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
    Posts : 4,534
    OS X, Win 10
       27 Dec 2014 #28

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.

    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,934
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       27 Dec 2014 #29

    @groze, by linking to MS and they're statement that Win10TP should not be your primary OS doesn't support your statement one bit, IMO. It like the other one you posted are recommendations by MS, nothing more and nothing less. I for one use Win10TP(9879) for days on end without any issues, so far, and I like it.

    There is a vast difference between a recommendation and a rule. And if MS didfn't want "average Janes or Joe's" to test it they wouldn't have made it so easy to join the insider program in the first place. Everyones input to MS is needed to make Win10 a success. IMO
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,540
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       27 Dec 2014 #30

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Hi there

    IMO just to add gasoline to the flames already burning around here - I think usually the I.T pros are often the LEAST qualified to try the consumer previews -- most PRO I.T guys have a strictly limited controlled set of (usually older) hardware to use and also the range of applications is very limited - especially in a Workplace.

    For REAL testing actual users are the best --people who are likely to load all sorts of unimagineable leading edge hardware on a machine, download zillions of dubious torrents, run every conceivable application, and take no precautions while finding ever more new ways of breaking a machine.

    THESE are the BEST testers -- people who are more likely to break something.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    jimbo that sounds like me except for torrents.

    Jimbo
    I think you understood what I was trying to say but I didn't mean to offend anyone. That is real close to what I meant. They are still misinterpreting what I said. The larger text I was just trying to emphasized what I meant. They also need to look up what out of box thinking is. I have a different way of looking at things. I corrected my post. I standby by my correction. Can't we disagree here? Articles can be interpreted different ways. Just for info I have been using a computer since windows 95 came out. You would be surprised what I can do. In fact, I created a my own backup program for windows 98se using pkdos & a batch file until I got Norton's Ghost.
    Last edited by groze; 27 Dec 2014 at 19:08.
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