I can subscribe to that. I am 50% blind and a full page layout beats any itty bitty start menu for me. I can hardly read these links in the new start and since there seems to be no way to make it bigger (I am already running on 150% DPI), it is useless for me. Fortunately I can toggle the start page.Only "preposterous" to someone conceited enough to believe his is the only opinion worth consideration.
If (more like when) I can't remember the name of the program, scanning a vertical list of text, hoping the name will jump out at me (which usually works for me), is much easier and faster than continuously horizontally scrolling a bunch of tiles with a name in each one (and some don't even have names).
[QUOTE=Rickkins;175831]Sorry mate, but I personally don't agree with you. With my eyesight the way it is, reading the Start Menu list to find a program/App is definitely harder than using the Apps Screen. Having both the Start Menu or Start Screen as options available in the final W10 product would be nice.
I saw one or two other people with same argument, so this to you and them. Having a program pinned to the startmenu or taskbar requires having already pinned it there. That assumes that it is a program used often enough to make you want to pin it. Even on high resolution screens, both have limited real estate, and I think in your case especially, it would be non-sense to pin every single installed program and those built in to the task bar. If anything, I'd think that would be a waste of time. Its a moot point anyways since you can do it 8 too. And typing isn't always a good option either. As you stated, if you have a lot of software installed, you can't always remember the name of everything. I would also say typing out the name of a program requires much more effort than clicking something. Furthermore, your statement about having to scroll through tiles just proves how ignorant you are about how the start screen actual works. At least try it instead of making up "facts". If you scroll down, or click the bottom of the screen on a desktop, you get a screen with all your programs listed. No tiles, just a list. You have a multitude of options on how the list is arranged. The basic choices are by name, by date installed, by category, and by most used. With the start menu, you don't really have any easy choices. You can customize what folders programs are in, but that's time consuming. If you don't like live tiles, there is an option to go to this list when hitting the start button/windows key by default, skipping the screen with tiles entirely.
EDIT: Also, I would say having a list that takes up the entire screen, in vertical columns, makes it a lot easier to find a program than scrolling through a one column list.
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The "All Apps" screen is different from the Start Screen.
The "All Apps" screen is like "All Programs" in the Start Menu.
The Start Screen is like the left column of the Start Menu.
Can the "All Apps" screen actually be customised though?
I couldn't change anything on it, when I was playing with the W8.1 Enterprise preview.
Specifically, I couldn't create columns like on the Start Screen.
I never said anything about putting all programs on the task bar or the start menu (in this case, I was referring to just one program). That would indeed be rather pointless. Only the most frequently used programs need to be pinned anywhere. In win 7, I have my most frequently used programs pinned to the task bar or in the notification area. My next most frequently used programs are pinned to the start menu. The rest I can still find quickly in All Programs in the start menu. In the example of Calculator, someone was complaining about how many mouse clicks it took to get to it using the start menu. I was merely pointing out how the number of mouse clicks can be reduced. Also, some people prefer using them mouse; others prefer navigating by keyboard. That is why I presented the keyboard alternative.
I'm not making up anything. I was referring to Win 8's start screen, which I have tried and hated it for the week I had to use it, because that was what others were referring to. I've already acknowledged that Win 10 is an improvement. I've also stipulated that both start screens and start menus have their uses; which one one uses depends on the hardware one is using, what one's workflow is, and a person's personal preferrence. The fact that Win 10 has both is what makes it a major improvement over its predecessors (and I have already stated that as well).
As far as having an entire list in multiple columns taking up the entire screen goes, again, it depends on the person using it. I can read only one item at a time. Some people can read entire blocks of data at a glance. I find scrolling down a single column no more difficult than perusing multiple columns. Others may not. Also, how one scrolls is a factor. If one use the scroll wheel, depending on how fast the scroll speed is set, that can take longer than using the scroll bar, depending on how one uses the scroll bar. Grabbing and dragging on the scroll bar is much, much faster than just using the arrows on the top and bottom of the scroll bar.
There seems to be a way to customize the Apps. I have not yet looked at the details but post 65 and following on page 7 in this thread looks promising.
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All seriousness aside, I hear you. I have a pair of readers I use just for working on the computer at home.
