Users Want Modern Transparency in Windows 10

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  1. CountMike's Avatar
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       #80

    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    Not really, MS cut DVD video support to save on codec royalties, a lot of stuff is not made "in house" at MS. At the time of Win95, MS had cut off parts of Norton SW just to save on it. Later on they bought it out but did not implement much of it. There are other things like that, Skype for one, it was bought by MS, lock stock and barrel.
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  2. LittleJay's Avatar
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       #81

    groze said:
    LittleJay said:
    It's not actual disk space I'm talking about. I have plenty of that. It's the bloat that is incorporated into the Windows OS. There are features, like AERO, One Drive, etc. that I don't want. I like a lean OS that will run lightening quick on my SSD and that I can create system images in just a few seconds. I built a PC with hardware that is designed to be fast, which is why I like W8.1 over W7. W7 is a step slower in performance than W8.1 in just about every aspect. However I realize I'm probably not going to get what I want.
    Off topic
    LittleJay, you peeked my curiosity

    You said you built a computer to be fast. How do know 8.1 is faster over 7?
    Because I have both W7 & W8.1 installed on separate disks and use them both, but mainly W8 after it came out.
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  3. LittleJay's Avatar
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       #82

    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    I'm not talking about lower prices. I would like to see a basic OS upon which a user could add whatever extra programs or apps they wished to. Turning features off doesn't remove them from the OS, it just hides them. The bloat is still there.
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  4. CountMike's Avatar
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       #83

    LittleJay said:
    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    I'm not talking about lower prices. I would like to see a basic OS upon which a user could add whatever extra programs or apps they wished to. Turning features off doesn't remove them from the OS, it just hides them. The bloat is still there.
    Great minds work alike, I would too like to see "empty" windows, just a lean system that works, NT series was a pretty good example, business like but with potential. A lots of us are quite capable to decide and find apps and applets on our own, the way they suit us. Most of the time I replaced windows applets with something I like better, most of them were free too.
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  5.    #84

    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    The idea behind a modular OS is less to save money and more to lighten the resource load on low power devices, such as tablets.
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  6. whs's Avatar
    whs
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       #85

    You guys should look at Linux. There are about 200 different OS built on a common kernel - what a mess.
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  7. Arelem's Avatar
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       #86

    LittleJay said:
    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    I'm not talking about lower prices. I would like to see a basic OS upon which a user could add whatever extra programs or apps they wished to. Turning features off doesn't remove them from the OS, it just hides them. The bloat is still there.
    What bloat??? The parts you are talking about would probably so negligible in size as they wouldn't even register on most disc managements unless you set them to show you the counts in kilobytes.

    To be blunt, so many of you seem to be stuck in Windows 3.1/95 think, when disc space was at a premium and a few extra kbs would make a difference in space and speed. It just doesn't anymore and removing inconsequential stuff isn't going to improve a darn thing anymore.

    LittleJay, you did talk about the price in your posts: "MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost."
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  8. CountMike's Avatar
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       #87

    Arelem said:
    LittleJay said:
    Arelem said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    LittleJay said:
    MS should just offer a plain jane, vanilla OS at a lower price and then offer additions like AERO, etc. to those who want to purchase them for a nominal cost.
    Prexactly. A modular OS! I've been saying this ever since win 8 was dumped on us. That way you can have a lightweight, bare bones OS, a fully loaded, high octane OS, or anything between.
    People seem to think that an OS is like a car, the less equipment you get, the lower the price will be. I don't think it works like that. An OS aren't even like other software, i.e. CAD suites, games or office type products. If anything, the way they are designed, it would probably cost more to remove pieces than just leave them in and let the user do the work of turning them off or on.
    I'm not talking about lower prices. I would like to see a basic OS upon which a user could add whatever extra programs or apps they wished to. Turning features off doesn't remove them from the OS, it just hides them. The bloat is still there.
    What bloat??? The parts you are talking about would probably so negligible in size as they wouldn't even register on most disc managements unless you set them to show you the counts in kilobytes.

    To be blunt, so many of you seem to be stuck in Windows 3.1/95 think, when disc space was at a premium and a few extra kbs would make a difference in space and speed. It just doesn't anymore and removing inconsequential stuff isn't going to improve a darn thing anymore.
    You mean the time windows fit on few diskettes or less than one CD ? or the time Atari TOS fit on one diskette ? DOS on two ?
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  9. Lee's Avatar
    Lee
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       #88

    Why is it that some think they need to bring Linux into discussions on this site. I am sorry but Linux is in all reality a dead OS to those other then Linux Geeks. Windows and OSX users are just not going to make the jump. . .
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  10. lehnerus2000's Avatar
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       #89

    LittleJay said:
    I'm not talking about lower prices. I would like to see a basic OS upon which a user could add whatever extra programs or apps they wished to. Turning features off doesn't remove them from the OS, it just hides them. The bloat is still there.
    Whenever I post a comment suggesting that Windows needs an advanced OS installer, people howl in outrage.

    Lee said:
    Why is it that some think they need to bring Linux into discussions on this site. I am sorry but Linux is in all reality a dead OS to those other then Linux Geeks. Windows and OSX users are just not going to make the jump. . .
    For comparison purposes.
    If you only compare your performance to yourself, you don't get a real idea of what is actually happening elsewhere (i.e you don't know what you are missing out on).

    The fact that a "dead OS" (your words) has superior features to Windows says a lot.

    For example:
    • Some Linux Distros have an advanced OS installer (CentOS, Fedora, OpenSUSE, etc.)
    • They have had virtual desktops for years
    • It uses significantly less RAM
    • Some programs (like Firefox) run significantly better on Linux
    • It is a fraction of the size despite coming with many programs by default (Ubuntu, Linux Mint, etc.)
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