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  1. lehnerus2000's Avatar
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       #110

    Coke Robot said:
    I don't think that's a whole lot of people as the marketshare of Windows 8.x has been growing considerably in recent months while 7 only gains very little.
    Possible reasons:
    • One of the main stat sites decided to stop listing tens of millions of XP site visits
    • The average consumer can't buy a machine with W7 on it


    Now that the market share stat system has been changed and the old data hasn't been recalculated, I guess we'll never know what the real story was.

    Still I'm not sure how many people would've dropped the W8 series and returned to W7 just because Aero was removed.
    It's much more likely that they swapped back because they hate Metro.
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  2.    #111

    [QUOTE=lehnerus2000;176591][QUOTE=Coke Robot;176354...The average consumer can't buy a machine with W7 on it...[/QUOTE]

    Actually, it's not too hard to find machines with Win 7 Pro on them online.
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  3. Slartybart's Avatar
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       #112

    Coke Robot said:
    ...The average consumer can't buy a machine with W7 on it...
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    Actually, it's not too hard to find machines with Win 7 Pro on them online.
    Staples has lots (new and refurbished, but the links below only show new)
    Win7
    Desktops
    Laptops
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  4. lehnerus2000's Avatar
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       #113

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    lehnerus2000 said:
    ...The average consumer can't buy a machine with W7 on it...
    Actually, it's not too hard to find machines with Win 7 Pro on them online.
    I wonder how many people buy computers online?

    I only see W8 series PCs in:
    • Ads
    • Shops


    Maybe things are different in the US.
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  5. Lee's Avatar
    Lee
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       #114

    Dell and HP will sell you a Windows 7 computer online here in the U.S.A. along with several others.
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  6. lehnerus2000's Avatar
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       #115

    Lee said:
    Dell and HP will sell you a Windows 7 computer online here in the U.S.A. along with several others.
    I am aware that you can buy online from Dell and others.
    If you buy business machines, you can specify all sorts of extras/options.

    Surely stocks of W7 must be decreasing since MS doesn't sell it anymore.
    Eventually you won't be able to order it.
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  7.    #116

    lehnerus2000 said:
    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    lehnerus2000 said:
    ...The average consumer can't buy a machine with W7 on it...
    Actually, it's not too hard to find machines with Win 7 Pro on them online.
    I wonder how many people buy computers online?...
    I've bought two from amazon.com.
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  8. lehnerus2000's Avatar
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       #117

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    lehnerus2000 said:
    I wonder how many people buy computers online?...
    I've bought two from amazon.com.
    I wouldn't classify you as an average PC user (you're reading an IT forum). :)

    Also:
    lehnerus2000 said:
    Maybe things are different in the US.

    I don't know anyone who has bought a PC online.
    One of my friends buys all of his camera gear online though.
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  9. Posts : 1,557
    W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
       #118

    I did purchase it online at wal-mart twice. I actually bought 8.? laptop but returned it because they packed an incorrect battery. HP wouldn't replace it under warranty. I found later on big screens 18 inch plus laptops are to heavy unless it doesn't come with a cd/dvd/dvr player. Hp ticked me off, so I found a all-in-one desktop from dell there, it had windows 7. So that the one I bought. I had some issues with that one but at least dell provided a clean install disk. I had a few hiccups but for the most part it has been running fine.
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  10. Mystere's Avatar
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       #119

    Superfly said:
    I agree with Jimbo - just to correct any misconceptions about Android, on top of the Linux kernel, there are the middleware, libraries and APIs written in C (as in Windows/Linux) - only apps are Java.
    It's thus for all intents and puposes a Linux based OS.
    Sorry, no. The middleware is what makes Android, android. That's the API that Android applications are written to, and that's the only thing that makes it what it is. When you say "Middleware" it makes it seem inconsequential, but it's not.. it's really the vast majority of what the "android os" is. Without it, it wouldn't be android. However, if you replaced the kernel with, say, NetBSD and ported the hardware abstraction layers and device modules, then android apps would be none the wiser.. Yet no longer running on Linux, or you do the same with MacOS, or even a Windows Mobile kernel.

    The middleware is written in Java. In fact 90+% of the API that applications use (that, which we call the "OS") is written entirely in Java.

    The only things written in C (or assembler) are the low-level kernel, drivers, and device specific layers. All of which would be replaced if you ported the "android api" to another kernel.

    What makes it android is the part that the applications need to run. The middleware. The kernel is a commodity that can be replaced with anything.

    Here is the Android source code, by the way:

    https://android.googlesource.com/

    The part that's android.. the part that you need in order to run android apps, is under /platform/frameworks, and it's almost entirely java. Everything else is implementation details that the kernel, or support tools need to run the android "os".

    Yes, it does run on Linux, but there's nothing Linux specific about it and android applications are not tied to Linux in any way. It's like saying that because you run CentOS in a virtual machine in Hyper-V that it's a Windows OS.
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