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  1.    22 Dec 2014 #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulsalter View Post
    If you have a lot of items on the Start Screen then why not put items into sections and use the zoom out option so you see many many more items on the screen, then just click on the group you want

    just as easy as using a cascaded menu
    Microsoft should of made the start menu stuff on Windows 7 & and up easier to access. To use the C:\ProgramData\Start Menu\Programs you have to take ownership of c:\programData for each user and possibly c:\users as well at least the take ownership reg file makes it a lot easier to do. Whatever you do don't take ownership of c:\windows it will mess it up. There are a couple of folder you can take ownership in c:\windows like where the log in screen pictures is stored without an issue but I would be careful with other folders & files.
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  2.    22 Dec 2014 #52
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    Stating this once again > The Start Screen is the replacement for the right hand side of the Start menu.
    The Apps view is the replacement of the left hand side of the Start menu.

    An alternative if not liking to scroll, (just as with the Windows Phone) push any letter to obtain the alphabet tile screen.


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    Same with full-blown Windows 8.x. Push/click any letter on the (All) Apps Screen to obtain the alphabet tile screen. This is in "By name" mode. This is demonstrated in 8.1 as well. (Iím assuming this works as well with 10TP Start Screen, but Iím using the Start Menu there for now).


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    Any program installed should have its own rectangular tile in the list. Office is used as an example here. Tap/click the tile and it will move and open to that programís list.


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    Thereís also categories in the (All) Apps Screenís menu that can be used. One great feature is that it keeps track of ďMost usedĒ. The (All) Apps Screen will remain in any mode indefinitely until changed, even upon shutdown/startup or reboot.


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    MS tried to compensate or fix the blunder of 8 that had no option to boot to desktop with 8.1 update that has the option and along with using the (All) Apps Screen to substitute for the Start Menu, but by that time it was all too late. Hardly any tried it. The rest is history.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 23 Dec 2014 at 23:11.
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  3.    22 Dec 2014 #53
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    What is really not good that the alphabetical order does not include all the programs on the system. There are still a lot that are in their own categories and require a real hunt for them.

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  4.    22 Dec 2014 #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    What is really not good that the alphabetical order does not include all the programs on the system. There are still a lot that are in their own categories and require a real hunt for them.

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    Only way around that is tell each installer NOT to create a Start folder, and move the System entries manually.
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  5.    22 Dec 2014 #55

    I think they are all pretty much in the same order as they are on the Windows 7 start menu. They were also categorised into folders.
    Without prior knowledge, you still had to hunt a little.
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  6.    22 Dec 2014 #56
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    That does not sound like "Ease of use". I would have to do that for very many programs. I think it is a mess and takes away a lot of the advantages of the Apps screen. Never mind what the problems with the old start were. Where is the progress.
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  7.    22 Dec 2014 #57

    [QUOTE=HippsieGypsie;174892]Stating this once again > The Start Screen is NOT the replacement for the Start Menu > The (All) Apps Screen IS. Proof is that it’s a configurable option to use in 8.1 when tapping/clicking the Start Flag or using WinKey.Quote
    Microsoft might no agree with that?

    As they say, one of several quotes:

    "The Start screen replaces the Start menu in Windows 8.1 and Windows RT 8.1. "

    "With Windows 8.1, you can start from the desktop you’ve always known or the modern Start screen with apps as Live Tiles."
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  8.    22 Dec 2014 #58
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    I think they are all pretty much in the same order as they are on the Windows 7 start menu. They were also categorised into folders.
    Without prior knowledge, you still had to hunt a little.
    I think you're correct except the folders are open on the right side of the Apps Screen. That's what is different. The left side also includes IE Favorite site tiles, folder tiles, individual file tiles, etc., just like shortcuts.

    There's also these options to cut down on Apps Screen population. Start Screen > Charms Bar > Settings > Tiles.


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  9.    22 Dec 2014 #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    Microsoft might no agree with that?

    As they say, one of several quotes:

    "The Start screen replaces the Start menu in Windows 8.1 and Windows RT 8.1. "

    "With Windows 8.1, you can start from the desktop you’ve always known or the modern Start screen with apps as Live Tiles."
    Where did you find that first one? The second one supports a "Start", not a substitute. The desktop could be a "Start" or "boot-up-to screen".
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  10.    22 Dec 2014 #60
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    What is really not good that the alphabetical order does not include all the programs on the system. There are still a lot that are in their own categories and require a real hunt for them.

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    Whs

    Actually they are alphabetical in a way. The list the certain programs/apps alphabetical, then it is listed by group alphabetical and under each group the apps/programs are listed alphabetical. What Microsoft needs to do is included apps in list as well as the group. There should be a registry hack for that.
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