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  1.    26 Nov 2015 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Oh dear -- you a) haven't actually answered the question on how an AV program is supposed to distinguish between a "Legitimate Windows program" and a "Rogue" Windows program which could contain no virus whatsoever but just be a plain nuisance --such as a typical PUP.
    YES I DID if you read everything I posted.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    b) Windows defender DOES give REAL TIME PROTECTION - and anybody who thinks it doesn't is confusing it with the earlier version which ran on W7.

    The current version of Windows defender (Windows 10) is built into the windows kernel and is based on the earlier Enterprise program Forefront Security essentials.

    It's actually quite good.

    Of course batch scanning for any infected files is also a good idea but to suggest that Windows defender doesn't provide real time protection is just plain wrong.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Don't think I said windows defender wasn't any good, but, their ARE better choices than defender.
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  2.    26 Nov 2015 #22
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    Microsoft Adds New Adware Protection System to Its Security Apps


    Enterprise security apps get enhanced adware blockers - Only available for enterprise users

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    Microsoft has just announced that enterprise Windows users can benefit from enhanced adware protection thanks to a new opt-in feature that can spot and stop potentially unwanted applications (PUA) from reaching their computers.

    First and foremost, what’s very important to note is that this is an opt-in feature available exclusively to enterprise users, so administrators need to manually enable it if they want enhanced protection against PUA.

    Only available for enterprise users

    Then, the new adware protection system is only available in the company's System Center Endpoint Protection and Forefront Endpoint Protection solutions, with Microsoft saying that potentially unwanted applications will be blocked at download and install time.

    “These applications can increase the risk of your network being infected with malware, cause malware infections to be harder to identify among the noise, and can waste helpdesk, IT, and user time cleaning up the applications,” Microsoft explains.

    “Since the stakes are higher in an enterprise environment, the potential disaster that PUA brings can be a cause of concern. Hence, it is important to deliver trusted protection in this field.”

    Read more: http://news.softpedia.com/news/micro...s-496755.shtml
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  3.    26 Nov 2015 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluster Head View Post
    Enterprise security apps get enhanced adware blockers - Only available for enterprise users
    It would be great to see this trickle down at least to Pro, maybe a new Redstone feature.
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  4.    26 Nov 2015 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    when will people EVER learn that AV reports are 100% A WASTE OF TIME. A new virus could spring up at any time rendering all previous statistics out of date and obsolete.
    jimbo
    You really must stop trying to portray others as being inferior to yourself regarding opinions on the efficiency of AV reports.
    Particular emphasis on your part by the use of capital letters.

    Your above quote " A new virus could spring up at any time rendering all previous statistics out of date and obsolete."
    That is nonsense, if you take into account Heuristics, ie:- any change from the norm taken from previous scans is instantly noted.
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  5.    26 Nov 2015 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    You really must stop trying to portray others as being inferior to yourself regarding opinions on the efficiency of AV reports.
    Particular emphasis on your part by the use of capital letters.

    Your above quote " A new virus could spring up at any time rendering all previous statistics out of date and obsolete."
    That is nonsense, if you take into account Heuristics, ie:- any change from the norm taken from previous scans is instantly noted.
    Even biggie ones like Kasperski admitted that AV protection is not all that it's cracked to be. Those so called AV reports are just as heavily biased as benchmarks coming from Intel and AMD, practically useless. Judging by some questions and comments it's never too much to remind about limited usefulness of AVs. Heuristics or not, all the AVs are better at being medicine rather than prevention.
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  6.    26 Nov 2015 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Even biggie ones like Kasperski admitted that AV protection is not all that it's cracked to be. Those so called AV reports are just as heavily biased as benchmarks coming from Intel and AMD, practically useless. Judging by some questions and comments it's never too much to remind about limited usefulness of AVs. Heuristics or not, all the AVs are better at being medicine rather than prevention.
    Not for one minute am I suggesting that AV suits are 100% fool proof, but better some protection than none at all.
    In the fairly recent past I posted on this forum that a particular friend asked me to sort out his problematic computer.
    Scans with Adwcleaner and Hitman Pro identified literally hundreds of PUPs, and what was he using as AV protection. Kasperski.
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  7.    26 Nov 2015 #27
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    I ran Avira for years with no problems, but had an issue with it on an early W8 beta so started using Defender.

    The W7 machine still runs it, and (not that it's needed) so does the Vista/XP box.

    I also have MalwareBytes on the W8.1/W10 machine (full) and the W7 and Vista/XP machines (trial), it works well and can be run concurrently with the AV program without clashing.



    Wenda.
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  8.    26 Nov 2015 #28
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    The reason I dumped Defender and installed Avira, my browser was high jacked whilst browsing using Edge, which supposedly is beefed up security wise compared to IE.
    My presumption being if two M$ products together could not protect me, go for two separate ones.
    Hence Edge and Avira.
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  9.    26 Nov 2015 #29
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    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro N 64-bit 10240 Multiprocessor Free

    have win 10 for 3 months and use only defender no issues
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  10.    27 Nov 2015 #30

    @jimbo, your idea is sound if someone knows their stuff, but if you take an 80 year old granny for instance, she won't have a clue what's safe or not, same with new users.
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