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  1.    24 Nov 2015 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Then what is the difference between a Home to Pro upgrade and a full Retail Pro standalone?
    In order to install the upgrade to Pro you must first have a valid license for Home. In order to install the Retail Pro standalone, no previous license for any version is required. And that is why the upgrade to Pro costs less, because they are taking into account that you have already paid for a Home license. The full Retail Pro standalone does not require the purchase of any previous license.
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  2.    24 Nov 2015 #72
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Then what is the difference between a Home to Pro upgrade and a full Retail Pro standalone?

    Here's the clause from the Windows 8 upgrade EULA

    "What about upgrading the software?
    The software covered by this agreement is an upgrade to your existing operating system software, so the upgrade replaces the original software that you are upgrading. You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have upgraded and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way. This agreement governs your rights to use the upgrade software and replaces the agreement for the software from which you upgraded."
    And that would be correct - WHEN YOU ARE ACTUALLY USING THE UPGRADE. If I don't have Windows 8 Pro installed and activated, then I am not bound the by license agreement for Windows 8 Pro and I can go back to using Windows 8 Home.
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  3.    24 Nov 2015 #73
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    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    You stated

    "Does that mean that your Windows 8 Home, the key for which is in bios, becomes invalid? No. You just can't have both of them installed and activated at the same time (according to the EULA) but they both remain valid licenses."

    They do not both remain valid, only one or the other - your choice but not both.
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  4.    24 Nov 2015 #74
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    You stated

    "Does that mean that your Windows 8 Home, the key for which is in bios, becomes invalid? No. You just can't have both of them installed and activated at the same time (according to the EULA) but they both remain valid licenses."

    They do not both remain valid, only one or the other - your choice but not both.
    If I am intoxicated, do I have an invalid driver's license? No. It is just illegal for me to drive a car, but my driver's license remains valid. I won't get arrested for driving without a license, because I have one. I will get arrested for driving while intoxicated. If I have both a Home license and a Pro upgrade license, the Home license does NOT become invalid - it simply becomes against the EULA to have both the Home and Pro installed and activated at the same time.
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  5.    24 Nov 2015 #75
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    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    When you are on a flight an get upgraded to first class, you don't get to have the lunch in first then go back to your old seat in economy for lunch there as well.

    That's just plain greedy.
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  6.    24 Nov 2015 #76
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit

    I am a little on your postings Fafhrd

    Here is what I understand to be valid

    Free Upgrade to Windows 10 Home:

    Following Windows versions will get the free upgrade to Windows 10 Home edition:

    • Windows 7 Starter
    • Windows 7 Home Basic
    • Windows 7 Home Premium
    • Windows 8.1 (without Pro)
    • Windows 8.1 country specific editions
    • Windows 8.1 Single Language
    • Windows 8.1 with Bing
    Free Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro:
    Following Windows versions will get the free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro edition:

    • Windows 7 Professional
    • Windows 7 Ultimate
    • Windows 8.1 Pro
    • Windows 8.1 Pro for Students

    This is one example of a valid install of windows 7 & windows 10

    My system is this way.

    Partition one windows 7 oemslp (Special dvd disk I got from dell to do a clean install of w7)
    Partition two windows 7 retail upgrade to windows 10 ( I have done a clean install of w10 since then)
    Partition 5 Lubuntu 14.04.3 lts system with xfce 4.x desktop (maybe switching to 17.3 Linux mint when released)
    Partition 6 ext 3 (Test out other distros)
    Partition 7 Linux Swap
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  7.    24 Nov 2015 #77
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    Ho Chi Minh
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS View Post
    You can download the 1511 Media Creation Tool via this link and hence get to the 1511 ISOs. Used it today to get mine!

    http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...eationTool.exe
    I'll try. Thank you very much!
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  8.    24 Nov 2015 #78
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    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    Yep that's all valid. What's valid has always been clear in the past, based on product keys.

    Regarding upgrades I think it's quite clear that an upgrade replaces the previous product and you can't go back if you accept the upgrade. If you don't accept the upgrade you can remove it, replace your original OS, and even take the upgrade software back to the vendor for a refund within a reasonable time, in theory. Any other interpretation of "upgrade" is wrong.

    As far as Windows 10 goes, there are many ways to perform installations which are not legitimate, without any hacking whatsoever and so far, without Microsoft being able to tell if the installation is valid or not.

    Product keys are not an issue any more, but digital entitlement is the method by which Microsoft checks that Windows 10 can be installed and activated on any PC.

    The EULA for Windows 10 says what is valid, but the digital entitlement methodology allows some installations which breach the terms of the EULA in several places, to show as genuine, activated, and licensed.

    Something is not right, and eventually, Microsoft must close up these loopholes, and when they do there will be plenty of confused and upset users, which will be the cause of yet another breakdown of trust for this company.
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  9.    25 Nov 2015 #79
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    Dual boot Windows 10 Pro x 64 CU build 15063 & Insider Build 16273

    Quote Originally Posted by Indianatone View Post
    I am glad you did as at least Greg's thousands of posts were of a helpful technical nature and not general chit chat like this post for example.
    Hmm. You're still angry over the friend rejection thing aren't you?

    When you have as many points and posts then you can stand in judgement.

    Simple solution. Please do likewise.

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  10.    25 Nov 2015 #80
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    Windows 10 IoT

    Guys chill out already. All I meant by my "That's not supposed to happen" is Microsoft's intent was to give you one per PC depending on what OS you upgraded from. It wasn't my intention to start a is it legal illegal debate. In the normal scheme of things you should just get the one digital entitlement for that device, not two. My two are perfectly legal, I'm not debating that. For me the Home digital entitlement is never going to be used. Why use Home when I can use Pro?
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