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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
    San Francisco, California USA
    Posts : 806
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix
       22 Nov 2015 #21

    Just makes Windows 10 in-place repair installs more time consuming....
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64
       22 Nov 2015 #22

    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months, we're going to go through this every 3 to 5 months from now until eternity. These issues will never be straightened out so long as Microsoft insists on in-place upgrades.

    Even if Microsoft made a nearly perfect build, the problem is that you have to perform an upgrade from your current build to get it. Unless you can do a clean install every 3 to 5 months (which most people find too inconvenient), you are going to have problems. The in-place upgrade process guarantees that.
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  3. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       22 Nov 2015 #23

    jfreemont said: View Post
    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months, we're going to go through this every 3 to 5 months from now until eternity. These issues will never be straightened out so long as Microsoft insists on in-place upgrades.

    Even if Microsoft made a nearly perfect build, the problem is that you have to perform an upgrade from your current build to get it. Unless you can do a clean install every 3 to 5 months (which most people find too inconvenient), you are going to have problems. The in-place upgrade process guarantees that.
    Absolutely correct! I find their entire process and recent decisions to be unbelievably short-sighted (to say the least). This way of doing things just won't work for many many people. Come on, MS.... this is insane!
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  4.    22 Nov 2015 #24

    jfreemont said: View Post
    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months, we're going to go through this every 3 to 5 months from now until eternity. These issues will never be straightened out so long as Microsoft insists on in-place upgrades.

    Even if Microsoft made a nearly perfect build, the problem is that you have to perform an upgrade from your current build to get it. Unless you can do a clean install every 3 to 5 months (which most people find too inconvenient), you are going to have problems. The in-place upgrade process guarantees that.
    The next version upgrade (to version 1607 as it now stands) will be eight months from now, not three. And the upgrades to the general public aren't based on new builds, they are to new versions. New builds are released to insiders on the fast ring every few weeks, but not to the general public.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64
       22 Nov 2015 #25

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The next version upgrade (to version 1607 as it now stands) will be eight months from now, not three. And the upgrades to the general public aren't based on new builds, they are to new versions. New builds are released to insiders on the fast ring every few weeks, but not to the general public.
    According to Microsoft, there will be at least two upgrades per year and preferably three or four.

    Upgrades to the general public are literally new builds, just like the Insider builds are. Not sure what you're getting at. The only difference is that Insiders test new builds before they get to the general public.
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  6.    22 Nov 2015 #26

    jfreemont said: View Post
    According to Microsoft, there will be at least two upgrades per year and preferably three or four.

    Upgrades to the general public are literally new builds, just like the Insider builds are. Not sure what you're getting at. The only difference is that Insiders test new builds before they get to the general public.
    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months,

    is simply not accurate. New builds are released to the insider rings (every few weeks) but not to the public. The public gets new versions. Only one version upgrade has been released to the public to date (1511) and only one is being discussed for next year.
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  7. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 16
    Windows 10
       22 Nov 2015 #27

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months,

    is simply not accurate. New builds are released to the insider rings (every few weeks) but not to the public. The public gets new versions. Only one version upgrade has been released to the public to date (1511) and only one is being discussed for next year.
    Because upgrades via Windows Update (as they are doing it) are highly problematic for many, even one a year is too many. They have changed their entire process and IMO, it isn't going to work for them, or for the users.
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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Mumbai
    Posts : 79
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1511 RTM 64-bit
       22 Nov 2015 #28

    kerodo said: View Post
    Because upgrades via Windows Update (as they are doing it) are highly problematic for many, even one a year is too many. They have changed their entire process and IMO, it isn't going to work for them, or for the users.
    Exactly! A normal user wouldn't b aware that he could get the iso from msdn. Consider this scenario. When the iso was available, the user could do a clean install if there were problems during the in place upgrade. However now, he will have to install 10240 AGAIN and do an in place upgrade which would AGAIN be problematic!
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64
       22 Nov 2015 #29

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    The really bad part: because of the way Microsoft now insists of upgrading to new builds every 3 to 5 months,

    is simply not accurate. New builds are released to the insider rings (every few weeks) but not to the public. The public gets new versions. Only one version upgrade has been released to the public to date (1511) and only one is being discussed for next year.
    No offense, but you have no clue what you're talking about

    New versions are new builds, and new builds are new versions. There is no difference.

    The public has gotten only one new build since 10240. The current public build is 10586.11. According to Microsoft, there will be a minimum of 2 new public builds per year, with a goal of 3 or 4 public builds per year.

    My statement is accurate according to Microsoft. Everything you've said is conjecture, at best, and completely made up in your mind, at worst.
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  10.    22 Nov 2015 #30

    jfreemont said: View Post
    No offense, but you have no clue what you're talking about

    New versions are new builds, and new builds are new versions. There is no difference.

    The public has gotten only one new build since 10240. The current public build is 10586.11. According to Microsoft, there will be a minimum of 2 new public builds per year, with a goal of 3 or 4 public builds per year.

    My statement is accurate according to Microsoft. Everything you've said is conjecture, at best, and completely made up in your mind, at worst.
    No, new builds are not new versions unless you are going well outside of how Microsoft defines a version. An new version of Windows is a major milestone. There are things a user cannot do when crossing version boundaries that he can do within one. Windows 7 and Windows 7 Sp1 are two different versions of Windows. That certainly means something in the Windows lifecycle table as well. In the same way Windows version 10 and Windows version 1511 are different versions of Windows. Different in the same way Windows 8 and 8.1 are different versions of Windows. The reason for the withdrawal of the version 1511 downloads was the impact that the version change was having on some users when their software was upgraded from version 10 to version 1511. Mere build differences do not have anything like that kind of impact. There are hundreds of builds between version releases. Obviously there are not hundreds of versions of Windows. Windows NT had the most versions (7) and I think XP was next with four.
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