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  1.    22 Nov 2015 #111
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 554
    ,7,8.1 10TP 10upgrade,MINT

    My first two went without a hitch, the third failed the first attempt, all ok now.
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  2.    22 Nov 2015 #112
    Join Date : Apr 2015
    Posts : 169
    Windows 10

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVang3034 View Post
    Yes I myself have went through that same experience when I did a windows 10 installation a while back on my computer and when I log back in the next 2. There was MS windows update available so I click update and after that my computer became non-responsive. It cause my computer to freeze up upon login into the desktop window. No keyboard or mouse responded so I ended up doing a clean installation of my old windows 7 disk back onto my computer. Everything that was on my computer was completely gone. I was pretty pissed when I couldn't get it to do a system restore or reverting back to my old windows.
    Yeah, very true. Even successful upgraders (like me) should not think that we are immune from future problems. I have edited my previous post to emphasize that.

    Again, Windows-as-a-service with its continual and forced updates will never be perfect, hence we end-users need an easy-to-use and bullet-proof fall-back if an update does go wrong!
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  3.    22 Nov 2015 #113
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 48
    Win 8.1

    You know I can't understand why you guys are giving MS a pass on this.
    The OS is new, other OS's bla bla bla...
    Win 10 is based off everything going back to Vista with the new Kernal.
    And I find the same exact bugs that should have been addressed and fixed GOING back to Win 7!
    The Icons shifting to the left, Color Calibration problems.

    I have found 2 bug fixes that were in previous build and that was a driver issue with my Logitech Wireless Controller that worked in 8, broke in 8.1 then fixed in 10.
    The other is Enterprise Shares that constantly disappeared in Win 7, 8, 8.1 because they weren't Enterprise. There was a workaround that fixed the issue perfectly and I never loss shares again.
    Win 10 sets them to Enterprise in Admin AND user accounts but recently my users have to type in their accounts and passwords again because despite being Enterprise Credential Manager sees fit on it's own to delete itself despite wtf I WANT!

    If you can't rely on an OS then what the hell is the point and when you have bugs going back 6+ years and STILL not fixed well confidence is low that Microsoft gives a rats about what consumers want.
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  4.    22 Nov 2015 #114
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    San Francisco, California USA
    Posts : 1,005
    Windows XP/7/8/8.1/10, Linux, Android, FreeBSD Unix

    As far as Microsoft is concerned, bugs are always features. They will fix them and introduce new bugs aka features.... it's how the software and hardware companies help each other by making the other one obsolete so they can sell to the consumers again.
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  5.    22 Nov 2015 #115
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 298
    Windows 7 (SP1)

    Quote Originally Posted by FrozenCursor View Post
    Yeah, very true. Even successful upgraders (like me) should not think that we are immune from future problems. I have edited my previous post to emphasize that.

    Again, Windows-as-a-service with its continual and forced updates will never be perfect, hence we end-users need an easy-to-use and bullet-proof fall-back if an update does go wrong!
    There is..kind of
    But it involves time and effort and a spare large hard drive, I use Macrium Reflect Free (there are many other choices though) which has not let me down yet I make a full backup before any major update, I do agree though Microsoft should provide some kind of solution.
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  6.    22 Nov 2015 #116
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 147
    Windows 10 x64

    The problem is that businesses CAN'T have these sort of bugs every few months. It's one thing for a home user to be inconvenienced. It's another for businesses to have 2500 computers with an issue that IT has to fix in a matter of hours because time is money.

    That means a lot of late nights for IT on top of what they already do. If that keeps being the trend, you are going to see IT departments advocate for something like Chromebooks, which rarely have issues and are stupidly easy to manage because Google basically took the good parts of Group Policy of the mid 2000s and amplified it.

    Microsoft needs to pull it together and realize that if they don't wise up Chromebooks will be the end of their enterprise domination.
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  7.    22 Nov 2015 #117
    Join Date : Apr 2015
    Posts : 169
    Windows 10

    Quote Originally Posted by jfreemont View Post
    The problem is that businesses CAN'T have these sort of bugs every few months. It's one thing for a home user to be inconvenienced. It's another for businesses to have 2500 computers with an issue that IT has to fix in a matter of hours because time is money.
    Every few months?? Windows10-as-a-service means that buggy updates could be forced on you (Windows 10 Home, Windows 10 Pro) any day.

    Not discounting any inconveniences, home-based offices can also suffer revenue losses
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  8.    23 Nov 2015 #118
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 298
    Windows 7 (SP1)

    The problem i see is this..

    That if you clean install doing 10240 then if you have to install the TH2 update, which in effect is installing Windows again over the top, then it's not really a 'clean install' at all. We will be left with perpetual update problems.

    Bring back proper service packs, and updated disks/ISO downloads is my call.
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  9.    23 Nov 2015 #119
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 298
    Windows 7 (SP1)

    Quote Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
    That actually makes a little sense to me - it allows Microsoft to control the loadings on their servers
    But wont this increase server load, they will firstly have to download 10240 and then double up on that download with TH2 update. If you have to make an on demand download initially whether ISO or Upgrade of 3gb or so, then it may as well be the TH2 version. not 3gb of 10240 then another 3gb of TH2
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  10.    23 Nov 2015 #120
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 24,523
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by zooburner View Post
    The problem i see is this..

    That if you clean install doing 10240 then if you have to install the TH2 update, which in effect is installing Windows again over the top, then it's not really a 'clean install' at all. We will be left with perpetual update problems.

    Bring back proper service packs, and updated disks/ISO downloads is my call.
    Now I know that I'm speaking for myself on this but MS has really improved upon the update process over the past years and it's really not necessary to perform a clean instillation all of the time. during the testing of 10 I've used updates and never encountered an issue with the process.

    MS is dropping the SP concept and I doubt you'll see anymore ISO's for new major updates. It's just going to be updates from the Windows update process.
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