Microsoft Blocks Classic Shell in Windows 10 Build 9879

groze · 20 Nov 2014

Indianatone said:

I made the decision to try 10 without classic shell to try out what they Microsoft came up with. It is simply that. Microsoft want users to try the start menu and provide feedback from the standard 10 start menu.
Classic shell had better work with the RTM version or there will be trouble.

Indianatone
A simple rename of the install name will allow it be installed for now. It actually should be allowed with consumer preview though without having to rename it.

BC66 · 20 Nov 2014

i just install classic shell ver. 4.1.0 on windows 10 and it's works!
all you have to do is to rename from classic shell to what ever name you want. i used softpedia.
it run smooth and no problem so far.
i'm pretty sure that classic shell will come up with new version to work with windows 10.

Jody Thornton · 20 Nov 2014

groze said:

I wonder what Classic Shell response is. Why does just renaming it work? I was considering trying 9879 and the consumer preview but I am not so sure now. I may stick with windows 7, then go to Linux when unsupported. Does any know if takeownship reg file still work in 9879?

Personally, I've really lost interest in Windows 10. I don't think it's THAT much better than Windows 8.1 (I do like a Start Menu replacement with Windows 8.1 however). But I just don't understand what it is that's wowing everyone on this forum (no offence or anything like that meant). But to me, this program blockage just seals the deal. I'll stay with Vista x64 until April 2017 (or until this PC breaks down). Then I'll migrate to 8.1 x64 on a new UEFI capable machine.

Rickkins · 20 Nov 2014

BC66 said:

i just install classic shell ver. 4.1.0 on windows 10 and it's works!
all you have to do is to rename from classic shell to what ever name you want. i used softpedia.
it run smooth and no problem so far.
i'm pretty sure that classic shell will come up with new version to work with windows 10.

Yea, I tried that too. After a while, issues popped up.

groze · 20 Nov 2014

Jody Thornton said:

groze said:

I wonder what Classic Shell response is. Why does just renaming it work? I was considering trying 9879 and the consumer preview but I am not so sure now. I may stick with windows 7, then go to Linux when unsupported. Does any know if takeownship reg file still work in 9879?

Personally, I've really lost interest in Windows 10. I don't think it's THAT much better than Windows 8.1 (I do like a Start Menu replacement with Windows 8.1 however). But I just don't understand what it is that's wowing everyone on this forum (no offence or anything like that meant). But to me, this program blockage just seals the deal. I'll stay with Vista x64 until April 2017 (or until this PC breaks down). Then I'll migrate to 8.1 x64 on a new UEFI capable machine.

Jody Thornton

Unfortunately, I like or use some windows programs. Microsoft Works 7 Database (yes, a little old fashion)
Macrium free now restores Linux even if installed on logical partition but you still have to back it up through windows. I may have said this before, Windows 10 was suppose to be a mix between windows 7 and 8/8.1 One spokesperson said windows 10 would look more like windows 7-I do not see this. The reason for that is to move users from windows 7 to 10. I wonder if Microsoft gave up on windows 7 users from reports online, most businesses are going to stay with what they have for now. Let see how they do with the consumer preview, it will be interesting.

Mystere · 20 Nov 2014

There are any number of reasons why this may be the case. There may be a compatibility issue, and MS is preventing install for that reason.. or they may be trying to ensure that users actually test the new start menu instead of just replacing it.. You are, after all supposed to be testing their product.

Just like MS wanted to test upgrades with 9860, so didn't release an ISO, this may be just another case of wanting to make sure users test specific scenarios more thoroughly.

swarfega · 20 Nov 2014

Having removed the apps on the right of the menu, I find it looks and works broadly similar to the menus that we have had in the past. I'm quite happy with it.

Lee · 20 Nov 2014

Oh Boy, it is finally happening. . .

LMiller7 · 20 Nov 2014

I think Mystere is right about this. Microsoft merely wants people to use and provide feedback on Windows 10 start menu. Microsoft is providing the software free of charge for testing purposes and as such have the right to impose reasonable restrictions on it's use. This doesn't look like a serious attempt to block Classic Shell. If Microsoft really wanted to do so it could be done quite easily and far more effectively. Remember that this is a technical preview and intended for use by advanced users. Such users using Classic Shell could reasonably be expected to know about the Classic Shell Forum and how to evade the restriction.

I think it highly unlikely that this restriction would be in the final release, or even in the consumer preview. Microsoft has a long history of making third party software continue to work, even when the software developers engage in practices they were specifically warned against. Windows has a large internal database of incompatible applications and methods of making them work when installed or run. This occurs silently without the users knowledge. Microsoft has actually received much criticism for doing this.

Classic Shell developers are aware of the problem but have to plans for a workaround (other than renaming the installer). Changes in Windows 10 are coming too fast and any fixes might break in the next update.

Classic Shell ? View topic - Classic Shell and Windows 10 Compatibility

lehnerus2000 · 20 Nov 2014

Jody Thornton said:

But I just don't understand what it is that's wowing everyone on this forum (no offence or anything like that meant).

I find W10 less annoying than the W8 series.

The new (desktop) Window Snapping in b9841 was just what I wanted (specifically 100% width, 50% height).
I could have used that enhanced Window Snapping feature a few days before b9841 came out.

There was an issue with Task Manager Window Snapping, but I almost never open Task Manger anyway (I use Process Explorer).

Of course MS broke Window Snapping in the last two W10 builds.

They did sort of fix the Task Manager Window Snapping though.
Apparently App Snapping has been broken in every build.

W10 seems to be following the pattern that the W8 previews followed.
The more W8 previews MS released, the worse W8 got (the W8.1 preview reversed that trend, slightly).

The bottom line is, I would consider upgrading from W7 to W10, provided MS don't break any more stuff.

groze said:

Macrium free now restores Linux even if installed on logical partition but you still have to back it up through windows.

I been backing up and restoring my Linux partitions using Reflect for ~4 years.

Mystere said:

There are any number of reasons why this may be the case. There may be a compatibility issue, and MS is preventing install for that reason.. or they may be trying to ensure that users actually test the new start menu instead of just replacing it.. You are, after all supposed to be testing their product.

Ignoring the "free" feedback just like with W8DP.
Not good.

Mystere said:

Just like MS wanted to test upgrades with 9860, so didn't release an ISO, this may be just another case of wanting to make sure users test specific scenarios more thoroughly.

They could have asked/suggested.