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  1.    22 Nov 2014 #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Now I'm confused. Who's we? Wasn't he on third?

    • First Base: Who
    • Second Base: What
    • Third Base: I Don't Know
    • Left field: Why
    • Center field: Because
    • Pitcher: Tomorrow
    • Catcher: Today
    • Shortstop: I Don't Care



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  2.    22 Nov 2014 #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by machare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Now I'm confused. Who's we? Wasn't he on third?
    I am confused as well as the quote makes it look as if I wrote some of the text, which I did not.
    Machare,
    I was looking back, some of the quote tags didn't get posted correctly. That why I either use the name or nickname of the poster. This way they know who I am talking to. If I am talking to everyone I will say "All" or "Others" unless I post a new thread. I goof up some of the time by not saying who I am replying too.
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  3.    22 Nov 2014 #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by machare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Now I'm confused. Who's we? Wasn't he on third?
    I am confused as well as the quote makes it look as if I wrote some of the text, which I did not.
    Machare,
    I was looking back, some of the quote tags didn't get posted correctly. That why I either use the name or nickname of the poster. This way they know who I am talking to. If I am talking to everyone I will say "All" or "Others" unless I post a new thread. I goof up some of the time by not saying who I am replying too.
    Wait a minute. I thought I wasn't in the game!
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  4.    22 Nov 2014 #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by machare View Post
    I am confused as well as the quote makes it look as if I wrote some of the text, which I did not.
    Sorry about that, missed taking out some text. Fixed it.

    As to the "we", for those pretending not to understand, the disparaging post I quoted was directed at those folks who rejected the start screen, and have retained their opinion that the start menu was, in fact, far far better, and that includes me, and many others. Chiming in that you did not understand that, is disingenuous at best.
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  5.    22 Nov 2014 #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by machare View Post
    I am confused as well as the quote makes it look as if I wrote some of the text, which I did not.
    Sorry about that, missed taking out some text. Fixed it.

    As to the "we", for those pretending not to understand, the disparaging post I quoted was directed at those folks who rejected the start screen, and have retained their opinion that the start menu was, in fact, far far better, and that includes me, and many others. Chiming in that you did not understand that, is disingenuous at best.
    Rickkins,
    Now I am . Are you saying you like the Window 10 start menu or don't like it? If, you like the start menu that fine with me, but there is a lot of people that don't which includes me. (For clarification, I don't like the windows 10 start menu). I admit there are a couple of nice features about the start menu that I do like, live titles and resizing titles. Actually as a disabled individual I do have trouble understanding really hard tech stuff.
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  6.    23 Nov 2014 #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaze007 View Post

    early during windows 8 rtm and late beta would could install cpuz but once u try to open it, it would cause bsods or completely freeze some computers.
    Have to say I never noticed that...but even so, the program has been running reliably and predictably with 8.x all of this time, so calling it out by *name* in the Win10TP is very strange behavior--Microsoft's own documentation says "If it runs in 8.1 it should run in 10TP with no problem"...And indeed, once the program is installed by changing the name of the executable in Win10TP it runs without a problem. You'd think Microsoft would at least *test* a program before declaring that it is "incompatible," wouldn't you...?
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  7.    23 Nov 2014 #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    Have to say I never noticed that...but even so, the program has been running reliably and predictably with 8.x all of this time, so calling it out by *name* in the Win10TP is very strange behavior--Microsoft's own documentation says "If it runs in 8.1 it should run in 10TP with no problem"
    I hardly doubt MS would ever state that, especially within a beta. Perhaps “Most programs will run”, but not all. Please reference where you come up with at least some of this stuff.

    ...And indeed, once the program is installed by changing the name of the executable in Win10TP it runs without a problem.
    Please read all of the thread. Some stated they changed the name, were able to get it to install, but then ran into problems with it. Here’s one. There’s another in some other thread.

    Microsoft Blocks Classic Shell in Windows 10 Build 9879

    You'd think Microsoft would at least *test* a program before declaring that it is "incompatible," wouldn't you...?
    Again > Where do you come up with this stuff?

    LOL! You just posted this yesterday:

    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    In this case, try and remember that Win10 is *beta*--it's full, chock full of bugs of all kinds. Microsoft can control and adapt IE to some things in Win10 because Microsoft controls both--but it's not up to Microsoft to guarantee the running of Firefox inside Windows 10 or any other Windows--that's up to Mozilla, strictly between you and them. (And it's early to start bitching at Mozilla about Win10, imo...)
    Now MS needs to test third-party programs? Nay. It’s the other way around.
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  8.    23 Nov 2014 #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I hardly doubt MS would ever state that, especially within a beta. Perhaps “Most programs will run”, but not all. Please reference where you come up with at least some of this stuff.
    That's right. While Microsoft spends a great deal of effort to preserve backwards compatibility, it is mostly for software that plays by the rules and uses only documented OS features. Programs like Classic Shell or CPU-Z use undocumented and unsupported tricks.
    And even then you can't expect all legitimate programs to works with a preview version. The TP build is how they discover incompatibilities to be fixed, after all.

    As for Classic Shell, there are 2 outstanding issues that caused it to be blocked:
    1) The start menu messes with the taskbar and causes the new taskbar buttons to overlap with the programs. This is because the start menu relies on undocumented internal structure of the taskbar, which was changed between 8.1 and 10.

    2) Upgrading from one version of Windows to 10TP breaks the start menu. There are multiple technical issues here that I don't want to get into.

    I am working on a fix for both. There should be a new beta version of Classic Shell by Thanksgiving.
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  9.    23 Nov 2014 #69
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    Folks when someone finds a program that doesn't at this time work with W-10 there are three things to do.
    1. Post your problem here.
    2. Post your problem in Windows 10 Feedback.
    3. If you can inform the owners of the program.

    That is the big three.
    I'm not here to design W-10 or 3rd party programs. I'm here to give input so W-10 will hopefully be a great operating system.
    I will let the owners of the 3rd party programs and Microsoft work out the problems between them.

    I'm as sure as one can be their will be things about W-10 that I would like different. That to me doesn't make W-10 is a no go.
    I will have to decide whether watching my favorite game of puppies dancing in the bathtub is more important than W-10 to me.

    In the end that is a decision we will all make.

    Microsoft is trying to make a operating system that the masses will like and buy.

    If third party programs don't work with W-10 the owners will just have to adjust their program so it does.
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  10.    23 Nov 2014 #70
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    Thanks for expounding on that, Ivo and Layback Bear.

    I spent a mere $110 on a copy of 8, then 8.1 was a free upgrade. This was all on a six-year-old tower at the time which continues to purr along yet another two years later. MS saved me money by keeping the OS footprint small enough and backward compatible enough to use on older hardware. Saved me money. And yet 10 runs pretty well on it along with Office 2013 Pro.

    To some > Compare that to a Mac with the latest OS X or even a new WinTel. Let me know how that goes.
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