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  1.    16 Nov 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    That happened to me and the external disk method didn't work. I deleted some programs like you and it then continued and completed fine once past that screen.
    Hoping that this will not turn into a mess. W8.1 had 4 partitions on a 30GB drive, Expect W10 to add to it?? I will be satisfied to delete the W8.1 partitions as I have no intention of returning to 8.1. Sorting which partition belongs to what OS could be troublesome?? So far, install is progressing. Tx for conformation of same problem. IF it is messy, will just do a clean install.
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  2.    16 Nov 2015 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    You should have some logs in $Windows.~BT\source\panther\ and/or C:\Windows\panther\ called setuperr.log and setupact.log. Look at the error one before the activity...

    If nothing found there have a look around these other locations https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/927521

    If you'd like to upload them check them for personal info first. I can't remember exactly what is in them - probably only your user name and possibly your IP.
    Thanks. I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I may windup doing a clean install. Anyway I just tried the Windows Update route again and this time the update went through the entire process, even telling me to re-boot. I did the reboot and saw the system installing and updating files before presenting me the log-in screen. When I logged in and checked versions I see the upgrade still hasn't taken, and Windows Updates still offers the same thing all over again. It's as though I'm stuck in a perpetual loop now.

    With that, I may just wind up doing a clean install on this machine. Had absolutely no issue with the my desktop using the MCT disk.
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  3.    16 Nov 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by meebers View Post
    Hoping that this will not turn into a mess. W8.1 had 4 partitions on a 30GB drive, Expect W10 to add to it?? I will be satisfied to delete the W8.1 partitions as I have no intention of returning to 8.1. Sorting which partition belongs to what OS could be troublesome?? So far, install is progressing. Tx for conformation of same problem. IF it is messy, will just do a clean install.
    Update: No mess, 2 partitions, 10 installed and running. Did a check disk, wiped previous system, some slight configuring to do. It went smooth, 1.5 hrs total.
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  4.    16 Nov 2015 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by lx07 View Post
    You should have some logs in $Windows.~BT\source\panther\ and/or C:\Windows\panther\ called setuperr.log and setupact.log. Look at the error one before the activity...

    If nothing found there have a look around these other locations https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/927521

    If you'd like to upload them check them for personal info first. I can't remember exactly what is in them - probably only your user name and possibly your IP.
    That support page there is mainly for the versions older then 8 and 8.1 being intended for Vista, 7, and Server 2008. The better page would be for 8.1 being the closest to 10 since none are found for 10 at the present unless on TechNet or MSDN. Windows Setup Log Files and Event Logs

    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Thanks. I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I may windup doing a clean install. Anyway I just tried the Windows Update route again and this time the update went through the entire process, even telling me to re-boot. I did the reboot and saw the system installing and updating files before presenting me the log-in screen. When I logged in and checked versions I see the upgrade still hasn't taken, and Windows Updates still offers the same thing all over again. It's as though I'm stuck in a perpetual loop now.

    With that, I may just wind up doing a clean install on this machine. Had absolutely no issue with the my desktop using the MCT disk.
    You are trying upgrade only using two of the four options available with those two failing suggesting you either need to boot live from 10 media and select either Upgrade or Custom for a full clean install or right click on the "Windows.iso" once downloaded and saved to the drive using the updated MC tool and see the iso mounted to run the setup.exe file. Something is interferring likely your firewall if 3rd or the av program if not something else running in the background if you have enough drive space available to perform the upgrade not update.

    I think this is precisely where everyone is getting a bit confused since you still have to plan an upgrade type install or either save the file to disk or see the updated media created.. If you have a storage internal or external plugged in that will gum thing up a bit! Found that out during the first day! The clean install of course is always the preferable choice!
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  5.    16 Nov 2015 #85
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    As I stated I already tried the disk, but it still fails. At this point in time I'm thinking a clean install is the route to go. I also said I used the same disk on my desktop without issue. But as you noted, something is preventing the laptop from "upgrading"

    I just need to figure out what because I certainly have the hard drive space. Looking at my windows.old folder on my desktop reveals the file there to be 15gig, and my laptop has way less programs and stuff installed on it so you would think 60 gig of free space is enough.

    BTW I use NAV for my virus scanner on both systems, and like the desktop, disabled it when doing the upgrade. The desktop was successful, the laptop was not, so...

    Anyway it's not of critical importance so when I get the time I'll wipe the drive and do a clean install and be done with it.

    Thanks.
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  6.    17 Nov 2015 #86
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    Can you boot from a flash drive or are you lacking that option? Occasionally you can and will run into bad optical media and sometimes an entire container has to be tossed! This is likely one of the main reasons besides the need to upgrade media for hand helds as well as the pc platform in changing from dvd disk sets to read only protected flash drives. This started back with Vista/7 first seeing usb keys.

    Here on one laptop I wiped everything literally following not only the initial upgrade but two consecutive clean installs and then couldn't work with the factory partitions in seeing a second backup partition created for the single drive only model. Since hardly anything would go on it a small place for local storage plus a partial backup to have on hand was the idea. Following the wipe the 3rd clean install went on and now will need to see the TH2 replace the 10240 rtm once again!

    Now the word of advice that is now being seen from MS too with the install bug being reported by many with the TH2 build is being sure you have everything extra unplugged during the upgrade or clean install. No phone plugged into charge or nothing else like any flash drive or external HD, camera, smart phone. etc. since the 10 installer will get "confused" on where to put things like the boot files and temp install folders! Found that one out on the first day when I had the pair of storage drives plugged in which resulted in crash to the desktop with or without any error screen or even a BSOD on one attempt!

    Someone posted this latest Softpedia report which is what I have been conveying about the need to review the clean install and upgrade guides here at 10F! Here's a good chunk of that report to quote here from: How to Fix Windows 10 Threshold 2 Freezing During Install - Softpedia

    Here are some suggestions to address the bug

    Windows 10 Threshold 2 was launched last week, but some people are still waiting to get the new version in Windows Update, even if they’re already on RTM.


    But a bunch of unlucky Windows 10 users have already received Threshold 2, but it fails to install because of an error that seems to freeze the deployment at different moments during the process.


    As we already told you last week, Microsoft recommends users to remove their SD cards from devices that are being upgraded to Windows 10 Threshold 2 because there is a bug that causes the process to get stuck at 44 percent.


    But despite this recommendation, it turns out that the issue is still taking place. And what’s more, some are seeing it on devices without SD cards.


    Just try this

    After searching the web for solutions on what seems to be a common Threshold 2 problem, we’ve drawn up this list of recommendations:
    1. Disable antivirus solutions and other security apps that might block the process
    2. Unplug all peripherals that you don’t need (you should keep only the mouse and keyboard)
    3. Check if your computer is fully up to date before launching the Threshold 2 install
    4. Check if you’re running the latest versions of your drivers
    5. Remove any CD or DVD from your optical drives
    6. Unplug USB mouse when the process freezes
    7. Disable all Microsoft services before starting the setup
    8. Make sure you have enough space to install Threshold 2
    9. Disable Secure Boot in BIOS
    10. Try to update using the Media Creation Tool
    If none of this works, then you should contact Microsoft or wait a little bit longer until the company comes up with a fix, as the Windows team is already looking into all these reports and developing a patch. No release date is available for the moment, tough.
    Skipping the instant online upgrade should have been the advice there not use the MC tool's immediate upgrade option which can see problems of all sorts from it simply being on the web. One little server glitch and CCCCRRASSHHH! The mount with a right click and upgrade can work out when seeing the ISO created and saved locally and the new updated MC tool since the old should now be tossed will see the two flavored two edition 5.48gb "Windows.iso" file downloaded and saved to the drive or removable media if you have an extra flash drive beside the install key onhand.

    Anther option for the online upgrade method isn't even with the MC tool but another one MS came out with. That would be the "GetWindows10-sds_________.exe" file spotted on one W10 page you can try but would still be the upgrade not clean install method seen there. In fact when going to wipe any OEM primary off and wanting to avoid seeing the System Reserved created by the WIndows installer going back to Vista there I will simply boot live with the other OS's drive tools to insure only a couple of mbs too small are left unallocated for the changeover if ever needed from MBR to GPT or vice versa which would mainly before larger storage drives to come.
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  7.    17 Nov 2015 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
    Can you boot from a flash drive or are you lacking that option? Occasionally you can and will run into bad optical media and sometimes an entire container has to be tossed! This is likely one of the main reasons besides the need to upgrade media for hand helds as well as the pc platform in changing from dvd disk sets to read only protected flash drives. This started back with Vista/7 first seeing usb keys.

    There's nothing wrong with the media as I've said a few times... I've already used the disk (DVD) to upgrade my desktop and had no issues. I also know my portable DVD writer for my laptop works as I used it to install an office product I created from an ISO file. And the same issue happens when attempting to upgrade through Windows Update!

    Now the word of advice that is now being seen from MS too with the install bug being reported by many with the TH2 build is being sure you have everything extra unplugged during the upgrade or clean install. No phone plugged into charge or nothing else like any flash drive or external HD, camera, smart phone. etc. since the 10 installer will get "confused" on where to put things like the boot files and temp install folders! Found that one out on the first day when I had the pair of storage drives plugged in which resulted in crash to the desktop with or without any error screen or even a BSOD on one attempt!

    This is fairly common sense but no, I don't have anything unnecessary plugged in or running.

    Someone posted this latest Softpedia report which is what I have been conveying about the need to review the clean install and upgrade guides here at 10F! Here's a good chunk of that report to quote here from: How to Fix Windows 10 Threshold 2 Freezing During Install - Softpedia

    I've already looked at the "guide" and it's really nothing I'm not familiar with, nor do I agree I necessarily need to do - for example disabling secure boot. I've updated this laptop twice and have yet to need to disable secure boot. That said, I'll cross that road if I run into problems during a clean install which I intend to do later this week if I can't get the upgrade issue figured out.

    Skipping the instant online upgrade should have been the advice there not use the MC tool's immediate upgrade option which can see problems of all sorts from it simply being on the web. One little server glitch and CCCCRRASSHHH!

    While this "may" occur, it is usually remedied by retrying the download again. While anything computer is possible, I'm quite sure this isn't the issue, especially since the physical disk install failed as well.

    The mount with a right click and upgrade can work out....

    I suppose I could mount the image and try it that way. We'll see. However, I'm not confident that'll work as well.

    Anther option for the online upgrade method isn't even with the MC tool but another one MS came out with. That would be the "GetWindows10-sds_________.exe" file spotted on one W10 page....

    I'm not sure what "GetWindows10-sds_________.exe" is??? I've not even looked for such a file name.
    My reply in red.

    Thanks. Even though I might appear to be shooting down ideas, I very much appreciate you taking the time out to put forth those ideas as it gives me something to think about that I may have overlooked.

    Appreciate that
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  8.    17 Nov 2015 #88
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    My Install only took 15mins even on a Core 2 Quad!
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  9.    17 Nov 2015 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Thanks. I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I may windup doing a clean install. Anyway I just tried the Windows Update route again and this time the update went through the entire process, even telling me to re-boot. I did the reboot and saw the system installing and updating files before presenting me the log-in screen. When I logged in and checked versions I see the upgrade still hasn't taken, and Windows Updates still offers the same thing all over again. It's as though I'm stuck in a perpetual loop now.

    With that, I may just wind up doing a clean install on this machine. Had absolutely no issue with the my desktop using the MCT disk.
    I'd be happy to look at the logs if you like - can't really suggest anything else as it would be just guessing - you seemed to have covered most things.

    As it happens I'm planning to do a clean install today as there are a few niggley problems which only happen with upgrade - this for example On updated to 1511 machines gpedit.msc reports namespace conflict - Windows 10 Forums

    Perhaps clean install is best bet (assuming it doesn't fail for the same reason). Best of luck either way.
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  10.    17 Nov 2015 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean73 View Post
    My Install only took 15mins even on a Core 2 Quad!
    Wow that was fast. I have a core2duo - I started it at about midnight (upgrade not download). At 4:30 am it started yelling "Upgrading Windows! Don't turn off your computer" with no way to turn down the volume. I don't know when it finished as I closed the door on it and went back to sleep.

    I've never had PC decide to talk (yell more like) during an upgrade before, most odd.

    Don't know how long it took but much more than 15 minutes anyway
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