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  1.    23 Nov 2015 #450

    Who said it's for majority ? I was just dreaming about what I would like (+ saving hundred bucks thrown away on all those extras). There are programs to cut down installation and make it liter but with plenty of space on disks it's just not worth it. Can also get rid of most inbuilt APPs and programs but replacing them is easier.
    Yes, I remember DOS and contortions we had to go thru to get some stuff working but used it only when I had to otherwise used Atari ST that was quite capable at that time with better and easier OS. Had to use Autocad at work on a 286 PC but used another one at home that made files compatible with AC. Heck of easier and faster.
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       23 Nov 2015 #451

    CountMike said: View Post
    Who said it's for majority ? I was just dreaming about what I would like (+ saving hundred bucks thrown away on all those extras). There are programs to cut down installation and make it liter but with plenty of space on disks it's just not worth it. Can also get rid of most inbuilt APPs and programs but replacing them is easier.
    Yes, I remember DOS and contortions we had to go thru to get some stuff working but used it only when I had to otherwise used Atari ST that was quite capable at that time with better and easier OS. Had to use Autocad at work on a 286 PC but used another one at home that made files compatible with AC. Heck of easier and faster.
    Maybe you would like a 286 or 386 and Dos or 3.1 & DOS and file manager or maybe a raspberry PC .....or Linux XX nix box

    I was lucky and had to use Unix then Unix Solaris on a 286 at work they still use Unix Solaris and SAP on Unix for the important stuff and only use Windows for Office ,EXCEL spreadsheets and P/P presentations but not for the important stuff or operations .
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       23 Nov 2015 #452

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Most people wouldn't know where to start with such an OS!

    How do you get hold of the aftermarket stuff without a browser to search, find and download it in the first place?

    There aren't any PC hobbyist magazines with cover disks packed with freeware utilities, and the latest version of Netscape and AOL any more - those days are gone!

    Remember MSDOS before Plug'N'Play? Having to load your drivers for your devices in Config.sys to get them working for video, audio, network, comms, etc., - having to get the Computer Guy in to sort your autoexec.bat out?

    I do - 'cos I was one of those computer guys - systems engineer by day, support guy in the evenings and Clipper programmer by night, fuelled by coffee and biscuits!

    And I wouldn't want to go back to that limited, exhausting, frustrating world.

    Be thankful that you now have an almost infinite range of choices, just within your OS, to do what you want and need to, and you don't have to remember how to use Edlin and all those DOS command switches, just to get a stable display on your monitor.
    Try Pre-Dos back in the 80s! While working at DEC you never saw any fancy GUI or "Bells and Whistles" to complain about! All you had as a black screen and you put in the text as some dinosaur form of what you might call the pre-dos prompt. I can still remember the model number of the mono chrome Block of Lead monitor that equals one full tower loaded with drives, a 24" flat screen, keyboard and mouse not forgetting pad, printer, and you can toss an external drive as well as far carrying one of those around! We still shipped them!

    blutos cousin said: View Post
    Agree ....if U want a stripped down OS then Linux Ubuntu or one of the others is your ticket and you can customise it and skin it as you will and compile your own HDWE drivers for it sometimes because you can't find any !

    I remember DOS and 3.1 before plug and play and loading drivers and patches to play a game I don't miss all that at all ,or the (free) CD's with freeware and crapware on them !
    Apparently you haven't been following up on the latest 15:10 ubuntu with the new fancy sidebar and trying to figure where everything is hidden! That includes the media player, open source flavor of Word being that OSs document processor, FF as usual along some other new treats now being packed in! And Linux Mint Debian makes another with some 200 apps ready to go on! So you can now rule those out as Bare Bones OSs! Gentoo or Mephis perhaps if still in circulation are much smaller in size!

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Anyways, you have the barebones OS (2 versions actually) each time you download Windows (although you have no license to use it as an OS), in the form of Win PE and Win RE.

    To see what can be done with it follow Kyhi's excellent thread here:

    Windows 10 Recovery Tools - Bootable Rescue Disk - Windows 10 Forums

    Windows 10 without Metro?
    The problem with the title there is that 10 isn't Metro while tiles resemble the 8, 8.1 Metro bloatation especially 8 without a doubt being a travesty of an OS in how MS rushed an incomplete dual platform OS out just to fill a time slot of keeping a 2-3yr. scheduale before the OS was even suitable! MS already did a great deal of stripping down the OS to fill that one with Metro as far as cleaning all that stuff out. 10 is a new animal with some changes for the better at least!
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       23 Nov 2015 #453

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Try Pre-Dos back in the 80s! While working at DEC you never saw any fancy GUI or "Bells and Whistles" to complain about! All you had as a black screen and you put in the text as some dinosaur form of what you might call the pre-dos prompt. I can still remember the model number of the mono chrome Block of Lead monitor that equals one full tower loaded with drives, a 24" flat screen, keyboard and mouse not forgetting pad, printer, and you can toss an external drive as well as far carrying one of those around! We still shipped them!

    We had Unix Solaris & SAP on Unix and with no GUI's or mouse , into the early 2000's we didn't get windows 3.1 then NT for the light work till the mid or late 80's and later for the web outside of our Unix Intranets that still do the important stuff .

    We had monochrome green then orange monitors on the Unix boxes until they came with a GUI for *some programs * in the early 2000's on the Unix boxes.


    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Apparently you haven't been following up on the latest 15:10 ubuntu with the new fancy sidebar and trying to figure where everything is hidden! That includes the media player, open source flavor of Word being that OSs document processor, FF as usual along some other new treats now being packed in! And Linux Mint Debian makes another with some 200 apps ready to go on! So you can now rule those out as Bare Bones OSs! Gentoo or Mephis perhaps if still in circulation are much smaller in size!
    My last nix configuration here was Ubuntu 12.04 LTS . I still have the hdd ( not in use though ) maybe when I get bored with Windows 10 I will plug that drive in an extra bay or enclosure and upgrade to some of the new Nix flavors ,there are some things that Linux does very well .
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       23 Nov 2015 #454

    What the trend is now as it is starting to grow is making things easier for Windows users to try out each new "Flavor of the Month" as the label goes for the open source. Since not everyone can be a geek with that OS options to see things download and installed automatically are what you will start seeing a lot more of in the Software manager of each of the most popular desktop not Red Hat server type releases.

    Ubuntu being one of the most popular live distros still lacks a bit with this new change however. It is actually now a bit more awkward to navigate then your older 12:04 LTS release which I gave a look at a few years ago. That particular distro seems to be taking a nose dive with this latest 15:10 seen presently.

    And besides any old museum piece like the DEC VT278H Lead boat achor heavy monitor and the IBM 386 flat top back in '82 I was looking at the 2" lcd screen on the first notebook put on the market being the Epson HX-20! Four rechargeable C batteries and have either a ROM cartridge or micro cassette tape drive option since it only came with the 250K ROM cartrige where you wrote your own programs the hard way to view on the tiny lcd screen! Want something basic or "Basic" as in pre-Visual that is!

    And before I forget just saw this week old report on the social network(FB) Current Trends column.

    Microsoft: Company Pulls Windows 10 November Upgrade From Free Download Page

    "The November update was originally available via the MCT tool, but we've decided that future installs should be through Windows Update," a spokesperson told ZDNet. It was available for nine days.
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       23 Nov 2015 #455

    Well, that's one thing we old codgers can agree on - reminiscences, - as well as a growing resentment of changes, a rosy-coloured retrospectoscope, and that Linux isn't anywhere near perfect yet!
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       23 Nov 2015 #456

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Re Ccleaner: I wonder if the times it gets uninstalled, if it does have to do with the Monitoring being turned on. I keep it off, as I don't need that background nonsense.
    I have that feature turned off on all of my other installs (XP, W7 and VMs) so I'm fairly sure that I would have had it turned off in W10 too.

    It's weird that there was an issue because it had survived other W10 in-place upgrades.
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       23 Nov 2015 #457

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    I have that feature turned off on all of my other installs (XP, W7 and VMs) so I'm fairly sure that I would have had it turned off in W10 too.

    It's weird that there was an issue because it had survived other W10 in-place upgrades.
    I was basically just brainstorming. Like most things with any OS update or upgrade, some things happen to some, that don't happen to others(if that makes any sense...)
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       23 Nov 2015 #458

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    How do you get hold of the aftermarket stuff without a browser to search, find and download it in the first place?
    Don't you keep a library of downloaded installers?

    I have my program and driver installers backed up on an internal partition and on an external HDD.

    Cliff S said: View Post
    I was basically just brainstorming. Like most things with any OS update or upgrade, some things happen to some, that don't happen to others(if that makes any sense...)
    It was a reasonable idea.
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       23 Nov 2015 #459

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Don't you keep a library of downloaded installers?

    I have my program and driver installers backed up on an internal partition and on an external HDD.
    Me too!
    But one could use PowerShell and OneGet.
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