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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
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       01 Nov 2014 #11

    Lee, I know .

    I just thought that it could be useful piece of information for you non-Europeans, to know that using IE is to us a conscious choice because of this Browser Choice.
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  2. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,392
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       01 Nov 2014 #12

    Not Your Fault


    Kari said: View Post

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    NetMarketShare won't tell me their European figures unless I turn on geolocation, which I'm not doing.
    Why should my location make any difference to the European figures?
    I might have presented my case in a confusing way, once again I apologize, English is my third language and I sometimes explain myself in it in such a way that it creates misunderstandings.
    My bad.

    It wasn't a comment about your post.
    I understood the point you were making.

    I meant why should I tell NetMarketShare my location to view that info.

    I was just interested to see if the data looked different.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 01 Nov 2014 at 22:54. Reason: Additional
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  3. Joined : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
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    Tower: W8.1; Laptop: W10 Pro build 10586; Windows Phone 8
       01 Nov 2014 #13

    I think a lot of the younger Americans are are techie enough of making a "half-concious" decisions, but it's mostly fads with them. They think Google is the only search engine on earth, so they install the tool/search bar, then next thing is they install Chrome. "Well, ya know it's on my phone".

    My wanna-be-IT-tech son-in-law thinks FF and others are "a lot safer than IE". Have no idea where he gets that from. There is no such thing as "safe anything" if it crawls across the dirty/filthy Net. OMG! I went to search for a movie A Guy recomended because Netflix doesn't have it. I do a Bing search and get "Free Movie!" or "Sreaming Movie!". I opened a few sites deep in the pile I thought were safe. It was like falling into a snake pit! I never saw so many raunchy ads and "get this BS" on two pages in my life! Then all of them want my email address > No thanks!
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  4. Joined : Sep 2014
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       02 Nov 2014 #14

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    You can install Safari on Windows.
    Safari 5.1.7 for Windows
    Safari 5.1.7 is ancient. Almost 3 years old. Apple officially discontinued it a long time ago. Current Safari is 8.something I think. That thing is probably so full of security holes, it would be swiss cheese.

    Nobody should be using that, not even developers... Chrome will give you a much better representation than this will as the Webkit versions will be much closer.
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  5. Joined : Aug 2014
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       02 Nov 2014 #15

    Mystere said: View Post
    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    You can install Safari on Windows.
    Safari 5.1.7 for Windows
    Safari 5.1.7 is ancient. Almost 3 years old. Apple officially discontinued it a long time ago. Current Safari is 8.something I think. That thing is probably so full of security holes, it would be swiss cheese.

    Nobody should be using that, not even developers... Chrome will give you a much better representation than this will as the Webkit versions will be much closer.
    I didn't say it was a good idea.

    I wouldn't install any Apple software on a Windows PC, given Apple's track record with QuickTime and Safari issues.

    I had to install Safari on some PCs where I was working (~6 years ago).

    I definitely haven't installed it on my PC.
    I've assumed that Chrome would be close enough because of Webkit (as you have suggested).

    However just because something is a bad idea, it doesn't mean that people aren't doing it.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
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    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Nov 2014 #16

    Mystere said: View Post
    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    You can install Safari on Windows.
    Safari 5.1.7 for Windows
    Safari 5.1.7 is ancient. Almost 3 years old. Apple officially discontinued it a long time ago. Current Safari is 8.something I think. That thing is probably so full of security holes, it would be swiss cheese.

    Nobody should be using that, not even developers... Chrome will give you a much better representation than this will as the Webkit versions will be much closer.
    What has WebKit to do with this? Chrome used WebKit rendering engine until version 27, starting with version 28 it has used Blink.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
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       02 Nov 2014 #17

    Google chrome version that I am using is 38.0.2125.111 m
    chrome://chrome/
    chrome://credits/
    (if you are using Chrome)
    Google Chrome is made possible by the
    Chromium open source project and other open source software.

    There is no blink in the Credits. There is webkit though

    https://www.webkit.org/
    WebKit is an open source web browser engine. WebKit is also the name of the OS X system framework version of the engine that's used by Safari, Dashboard, Mail, and many other OS X applications

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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
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       02 Nov 2014 #18

    What get me is why people use Google Chrome, if you are logged in to google and/or have apps link to your account they know who you are and where you go unless you go to https sites. It is possible to disable all this to prevent tracking but it is a pain. I use Seamonkey for example.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,564
    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Nov 2014 #19

    groze said: View Post
    Google chrome version that I am using is 38.0.2125.111 m
    chrome://chrome/
    chrome://credits/
    (if you are using Chrome)
    Google Chrome is made possible by the
    Chromium open source project and other open source software.

    There is no blink in the Credits. There is webkit though

    https://www.webkit.org/
    WebKit is an open source web browser engine. WebKit is also the name of the OS X system framework version of the engine that's used by Safari, Dashboard, Mail, and many other OS X applications

    It never stops amazing me how little facts geeks need to be sure they are right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit:
    WebKit is a layout engine software component for rendering web pages in web browsers. It powers Apple's Safari web browser and was previously used in Google's Chrome web browser.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome:
    Google Chrome is a freeware web browser developed by Google. It used the WebKit layout engine until version 27 and, with the exception of its iOS releases, from version 28 and beyond uses the WebKit fork Blink.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(layout_engine):
    Blink is a web browser engine developed as part of the Chromium project by Google with contributions from Opera Software ASA, Intel, Samsung and others. It was first announced in April 2013. It is a fork of the WebCore component of WebKit and is used in Chrome starting at version 28.
    Although a fork of WebKit, the deveklopers make it quite clear Blink is not based on WebKit. It has its origins in one component of of WebKit, the WebCore, but each new version of Chrome brings it further from its origins.

    I repeat: Chrome is not using Webkit rendering engine, has not used since version 27.

    Kari
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       02 Nov 2014 #20

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    My wanna-be-IT-tech son-in-law thinks FF and others are "a lot safer than IE". Have no idea where he gets that from.
    History over the past 15 years.
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