Windows 10: Microsoft: Windows 10 Users Should Say No to Chrome and Firefox

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       16 Nov 2015 #341

    NP!
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       17 Nov 2015 #342

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Ah,, I was just saying that it's a personal choice about the browser we chose to use.
    More personal for some it appears! over simply finding what suits your own personal needs the best?! Here having a few browsers that I can count on as far as being both Versatile as well as the Stability factor are the most important while another factor being missed from mention so far has been the fact that Edge is still a 32bit browser. It's been known for a long time a 64bit browser will tend to be a little more secure then a 32bit which is far more prone to attract bugs of all types!

    Slight differences in the GUI portion such as the contrast between IE and the long time 64bit cousin of FF being the Waterfox project hasn't prevented the use of both as well as having added on others like the now twin cousin for WF the FF 42 in 64bit. Someone else who doesn't do any multitasking won't care where the bookmarks are located or how they are organzed since they simply toss them in a folder and forget about them For the next person who has to go back and forth between various sites on the other hand having some type of order becomes more of a mandate as well as the individual preferences.
    HippsieGypsie said: View Post


    Some just like to keep things simple without all the bells and whistles. Edge is fully developed enough for a lot of us. We're reading WWW pages here, not building rockets. Before I unsubscribe from this thread, one last thing:

    Full developed enough maybe for those who simply don't do much more then check the mail would be the better statement? The observations here are not about the likes or dislikes but the status of where things are as far as how far along is Edge from the starting line at initial introduction to development to the preferred list of browsers? And everybody has their own list of things!

    And as far as being a "Hit and Run driver" I already got you license plate there!
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  3.    17 Nov 2015 #343

    Sometimes I'm reading threads where people argue about web browsers and I wonder, what exactly are you doing with your browsers besides actually opening web pages. Surely, there exists corporate software that runs within the browser, most typically IE, but this can still be thought of as some kind of internal, albeit complicated, website. Now, as far as this basic role of the browser, all of them work the same and all of them have the same design - there is a "address bar" where one can type the URL and there is a window where the page is rendered. All of the browsers have some way to remember the sites you want to remember (favorites, bookmarks, whatever). Nowadays, all browsers sport tabs. What's the difference really?

    Now if you agree that the basic function of a browser is basically the same in all of them, then what's the argument is about? Right, personal choice! Sure, there are some hidden features that make one browser more attractive to a given person. For example, I like to have all cookies automatically deleted once I close the browser, with the exception of a rare few which I actually know what they are doing - for example, I keep the tenforums cookie that tells the site that I want to use its dark theme. I don't know how to do that in IE, but I do know how to do that in Firefox, hence, I'm using Firefox.

    Of course, you might ask whether I really need to do that. But that question is irrelevant, since I do want to do that. Why or what for - that's my personal decision, which may as well be based on misinformation, but it's my decision, I made it. Why would anyone care and try to persuade me to do otherwise? Yet I see threads after threads where people do nothing but try to convince others that their personal choices are best and should be followed by everyone ...
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  4.    17 Nov 2015 #344

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    More personal for some it appears! over simply finding what suits your own personal needs the best?! Here having a few browsers that I can count on as far as being both Versatile as well as the Stability factor are the most important while another factor being missed from mention so far has been the fact that Edge is still a 32bit browser. It's been known for a long time a 64bit browser will tend to be a little more secure then a 32bit which is far more prone to attract bugs of all types!

    Slight differences in the GUI portion such as the contrast between IE and the long time 64bit cousin of FF being the Waterfox project hasn't prevented the use of both as well as having added on others like the now twin cousin for WF the FF 42 in 64bit. Someone else who doesn't do any multitasking won't care where the bookmarks are located or how they are organzed since they simply toss them in a folder and forget about them For the next person who has to go back and forth between various sites on the other hand having some type of order becomes more of a mandate as well as the individual preferences.


    Full developed enough maybe for those who simply don't do much more then check the mail would be the better statement? The observations here are not about the likes or dislikes but the status of where things are as far as how far along is Edge from the starting line at initial introduction to development to the preferred list of browsers? And everybody has their own list of things!

    And as far as being a "Hit and Run driver" I already got you license plate there!
    Ah.. I use the browser I like and if it's the best fine. You chose to use the browser you want to use and why you use it. I chose to use Edge for personal reasons and if you don't understand or accept that decision that's fine with me. But, please don't argue with me over a stupid browser.

    This is a silly "discussion" and with that I'm unsubscribing from a silly thread.

    Bye...
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  5.    17 Nov 2015 #345

    unifex said: View Post
    Sometimes I'm reading threads where people argue about web browsers and I wonder, what exactly are you doing with your browsers besides actually opening web pages. Surely, there exists corporate software that runs within the browser, most typically IE, but this can still be thought of as some kind of internal, albeit complicated, website. Now, as far as this basic role of the browser, all of them work the same and all of them have the same design - there is a "address bar" where one can type the URL and there is a window where the page is rendered. All of the browsers have some way to remember the sites you want to remember (favorites, bookmarks, whatever). Nowadays, all browsers sport tabs. What's the difference really?

    Now if you agree that the basic function of a browser is basically the same in all of them, then what's the argument is about? Right, personal choice! Sure, there are some hidden features that make one browser more attractive to a given person. For example, I like to have all cookies automatically deleted once I close the browser, with the exception of a rare few which I actually know what they are doing - for example, I keep the tenforums cookie that tells the site that I want to use its dark theme. I don't know how to do that in IE, but I do know how to do that in Firefox, hence, I'm using Firefox.

    Of course, you might ask whether I really need to do that. But that question is irrelevant, since I do want to do that. Why or what for - that's my personal decision, which may as well be based on misinformation, but it's my decision, I made it. Why would anyone care and try to persuade me to do otherwise? Yet I see threads after threads where people do nothing but try to convince others that their personal choices are best and should be followed by everyone ...
    I also wonder but heck.. I use Edge/FF because I like them. It doesn't matter to me if they're the best or not. Personal choice matters to me and nothing else.

    Silly discussion..
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       17 Nov 2015 #346

    I think the original discussion centered around the misconception that MS is forcing us to use Edge, and we shouldn't use other browsers, then it snowballed from there.
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  7.    17 Nov 2015 #347

    Edwin said: View Post
    I think the original discussion centered around the misconception that MS is forcing us to use Edge, and we shouldn't use other browsers, then it snowballed from there.
    And it sure did snowball. Live and let live.. I don't need the best I just want the one I like.
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       18 Nov 2015 #348

    unifex said: View Post
    Now, as far as this basic role of the browser, all of them work the same and all of them have the same design - there is a "address bar" where one can type the URL and there is a window where the page is rendered. All of the browsers have some way to remember the sites you want to remember (favorites, bookmarks, whatever). Nowadays, all browsers sport tabs. What's the difference really?

    Now if you agree that the basic function of a browser is basically the same in all of them, then what's the argument is about? Right, personal choice! Sure, there are some hidden features that make one browser more attractive to a given person.
    All of them have the same design? That's a bit way off from the actual facts as each browser will generally have it's own unique design attributes such as when comparing IE to FF to Chrome to the older Netscape to Konquerer with many mostly designed for use on OSs other then Windows while Windows versions are put out to attract Windows users. Something like Netscape was originally not independent but AOL or other ISP required in order to use that type when first seen while later newer versions became unlocked for all ISPs no longer being tied to one service.

    When importing bookmarks, favorites, etc. different browsers will handle things differently. While most will offer some type of bar others only see folders when dropping down one form of menu or another. The usual File, Edit, View, History, Bookmarks, etc. items not being stretched across a menu bar option with many browser isn't any surprise since that has always been a "Windows" orientation seen there with Firefox and other better grade that is offspring variants taking notice of that fact to attract Windows users.

    Not Edge however! MS has decided to compete with Google Chrome and a few others like Firefox OS breaking the Window classic approach typical of IE there.Plus don't forget dual platform design for touchscreen devices as well as mouse and click.

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Ah.. I use the browser I like and if it's the best fine. You chose to use the browser you want to use and why you use it. I chose to use Edge for personal reasons and if you don't understand or accept that decision that's fine with me. But, please don't argue with me over a stupid browser.

    This is a silly "discussion" and with that I'm unsubscribing from a silly thread.

    Bye...
    I ran with IE for the longest time despite having tried out various browsers and still kept faithful to MS there until times changed and from IE 8 and newer while improvements had made the browser simply became unstable when keeping multiple windows open for long periods of time. And still no want for tabbed browsing but the option to keep each page on a separate window. IE would simply keep crashing by the time 7 was the OS of the day and when the need for a new browser came up.

    As for the 32bit FF I never took to that from the start and kept looking for an IE substitute not so much for what options but what functions like the menu and bookmarks you could work with as well as seeing the stability for just those problems IE couldn't solve. That was a matter of necessity over preference that came up where Edge simply won't fill the bill.

    Did I ever say I would never use it at all or just not for the primary or secondary browser? No I didn't! Do I criticise others for liking it? That doesn't work any! All I can do is point out the browser like anything else is still brand new and needs refinement that will take time. And one other thing learned over the years is never to count on just one browser alone for everything but to keep a second or even third saved on the drive if not installed in case some type of event knocks the primary out!
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       18 Nov 2015 #349

    The way I figure it IE 11 and Edge are just about good enough to download a better browser like Chrome or Firefox
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       18 Nov 2015 #350

    My first impression of Firefox was to simply leave it in obscurity while I was finding I was going to need something other then IE. At the time no one had anything going for the 64bit anything as far as browsers were concerned. Now you will find a Flash player installer for both 32bit and 64bit Opera, Safari, FF, etc. And as for Windows a good number of programs you go to install or uninstall automatically depend on IE being present for the automatic pop up to their start or support pages.

    One of the main differences between Edge and any other browser isn't so much sandboxing as it is embedded into the OS being 10. Even IE can easily be removed manually(have fun trying to get it back on after and run into "a newer version is already installing") by going into the registry itself to dig up the keys under "HKey_Local_Machine" and "_Current_User" looking under the software>Microsoft hive in each of those two branches as well as taking ownership over the program folders in Program Files, Program Files(x86), and the AppData under the user account in order to clean up most traces.

    For those who have been impressed with Edge so far I have make one observation which always seems to hold true for MS. People got fed up with IE Many a year ago with IE 6.0 being one big security factor forcing people to go for the open source or other sources type of browsers as well as maybe finding them more appealing in the long run.

    IE 7 was a much needed relief back then while IE 8 didn't get so much attention. Then you have IE 9 which came with 7 followed where the fixes had been made but the browser would stall with more then 2 or 3 windows open for any lengthy period of time. The more secure browser became the even less favored when the browser would crash more frequently. A great OS with a lousy browser to be seen there!

    The comparison of Edge however to these other browsers also including Safari, Konquerer, Ice Weasal for Windows being another FF offspring for the Debian OS, and then add a lengthy list of essentially unknowns since you basically never hear about the others at all leaves you with fewer options. In the real world sense with MS dumping IE being a sort of flawed browser since it still never saw the flexibility it needed in order to progress further MS could actually decide to turn around and make Edge shine brighter then anything else found by putting the effort into it to be so! Their track record however is where you could be a bit skeptical?
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