Customers petition to demand changes to Windows 10 update practices

BunnyJ said:

Huh?? "Lazy".. this entire post just blows my mind.

There are plenty of lazy PC owners out there, I fix their bloody machines all the time. It's not difficult stuff either but 'why should they when I can do it'? Nothing mind blowing about that.

Mystere said:

"Perceived" privacy concerns. What most people don't understand is that this is really nothing new. This is just Microsoft TELLING YOU what they're doing, and giving you the opt out. They used to do this stuff for years, without telling you and no opt out.

I have a friend who said he was going to switch internet hosting companies. I asked him why. He said, they have too much downtime.. so I went and checked things out... statistically they had better uptime than any of the providers he wanted to switch to, but those providers didn't release regular reports on their downtime and give notices when they occurred (even if it was only for a few seconds and affected only a small percentage of their customers). The company he used did.

In other words, because the company was so transparent and up front about their level of service, the impression was created that they had poor service, while the competitors who had worse service were looked at as better options... because they kept their mouths shut.

People need to learn that EVERYONE is doing this. Microsoft isn't going to change, they're just making you aware of it.

Most of what MS is doing they are doing in Windows 7, but they're not telling you they are. Windows 10 actually gives you MORE control than Windows 7 does in this regard.

That's what they would like you to believe is that they are wide open and right up front on everything? In years past you didn't see options like the Windows Insider program but still saw the MSDN and TechNet paid for subscriptions back when the :"Hush hush" was on "Lohn Horn" which as we know became the late arrival Vista.

What was the minimum specs? 512mb? Even with XP you saw a vast improvement with 2gb installed while MS was pleasing the OEMs who were short changing everyone with a pair of 256s while Vista needed 2gb to run normal. Understating things is an MS trait!

BunnyJ said:

Huh?? "Lazy".. this entire post just blows my mind.

Well as they say "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!". Around here we tend to brew things hot! The actual reaility is people are simply too lazy and not interested in learning more about things. They simply expect everything to work all the time without any fuss.

AllenChicago said:

Since the vast majority of Win10 users didn't pay for this operating system, why should Microsoft give a rat's arse what we think? It's not like we can bring it back for a refund.

Anyway, this report Where does Microsoft make money? (Updated 2013) | Tanner Helland (dot) com says that 70% of Microsoft's profits come from the Business division. The Windows division profits were relatively insignificant...and this was before the no-cost Win10 operating system debut.

As I was mentioning before MS sees it's livelihood coming from the corporate world just as any number of other software companies profit from. They can't fuss over every little home user complaint when their main objectives are marketing to the Corporate as well as educational sides of things. With 10 you'll notice they now have the Education edition emphasizing the desire to push the long time monopoly the fruit company has had aside to grab into that market.

Boozad said:

There are plenty of lazy PC owners out there, I fix their bloody machines all the time. It's not difficult stuff either but 'why should they when I can do it'? Nothing mind blowing about that.

Some common sense avoids a great deal of malwares like the old Vista laptop I was asked to reinstall Windows on multiple times since I did have a Home Premium disk on hand at the time when the product key was still on the attached label on the under side. Another time a drive failed likely since the couple's two kids were a bit rough when handling it including losing a key off of it. Of the way the keys were factory glued on you have to wonder why more didn't simply fall off!

When replacing one case for a newer model stainless job due to how the newer style saw the power, reset, eSata porst on a 45 degree angle facing forward over reaching back across the top to get at things when the case was pushed back into the recess of the cabinet of the computer desk I eventually replaced everything when passing the old case along including 4gb of the 8gb of memory first used on the newer case which became the main build here. I was initially running stuff taken out of the older Vista case first used for testing 7 and later the initial retail launch until both supply and board taken out by a failed supply had to be replaced when I simply ordered the first.

Once that was rebuilt later on in 2013 and passed along as a gift once a new board and supply went in along with some of the spare parts on hnad it simply sat there all this time collecting dust since someone else came along and didn't like his new 8.1 laptop due to 8.1 being on it. That person definitely won't spend one minute asking questions on how to see things done but goes out and buys another new pc!

With a recent loss due to a house fire of an All in One pc board inside display along with hard drive pre-made deal with 7 on it lost that one ended up with a brand new 10 laptop. We'll see how long he keeps that one before wanting to sell it used. That will after something won't run right or he gets fed up using Edge which should be real soon!

As for doing all the same things on 7 as you can do on 10 there's another topic of you can check the mail and yap on the social networks with any version coming up from 2000 to 10. That doesn't mean you can do all the same things however. 10 is three versions newer then 7 and brings in what 7 doesn't have support for. 7 doesn't see Virtual Desktops and neither does 8 or 8.1 while 8 brought in Hyper-V carried on by 8.1 and 10 but 7 had either Virtual PC 2007 used for the XP Mode or the need for one of the 3rd party programs.

10 also has something 8 certainly lacked and not the new Start menu but being dual boot friendly in contrast not ending up with both versions set up seeing disk errors resulting in both versions no longer loading! You also now see a dual platform OS something 7 never saw.

And regarding privacy concerns? 10 isn't any more snoop into your business then give your life history out when signing up for just about anything online as well as banking or shopping online. You're still putting personal data out on the web. Where do you think all that junk mail comes from whenever you open up any new email account? Your information was sold! Once you start using the account and providing it at various online vendors and other places it leaks!

Boozad said:

There are plenty of lazy PC owners out there, I fix their bloody machines all the time. It's not difficult stuff either but 'why should they when I can do it'? Nothing mind blowing about that.

I understand that but not everyone wants to fix their PC issues. That's why were here.

Night Hawk said:

Well as they say "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!". Around here we tend to brew things hot! The actual reaility is people are simply too lazy and not interested in learning more about things. They simply expect everything to work all the time without any fuss.

Well, I tend to be a bit more laid back about things like this. And the way I look at it, not everyone can or wants to fix their issues with their PC's and I don't have an issue with that. IF I can I help out and move along.

BunnyJ said:

Well, I tend to be a bit more laid back about things like this. And the way I look at it, not everyone can or wants to fix their issues with their PC's and I don't have an issue with that. IF I can I help out and move along.

And as I was saying there are all variations of experience levels from total newbie to computer engineer and surprisingly the ones that will find their way here come from all categories! That's how you end up with a mixed bunch on a forum like this!

I've been installing OSs since Dos and 10 threw in a stumbling block back on July 29th simply when having two storage drives plugged in and the initial upgrade attempts kept failing. Where did I turn? The Tutorial section by someone who had already encountered this situation and included the advisory in the guides for both clean install and upgrade type installs.

pparks1 said:

As far as Windows Update goes, I would like the ability to check a box to skip an update and I would really love to see a box that says x number of updates at 1,819MB. Right now, I dont know if its 5MB or 5GB.

The check box option is already there to pick and choose which updates(Optional) will be downloaded and installed.. You simply uncheck any of the "Important" updates you don't want to go on usually when a particular update will end up causing some type of problem. That's how the WU works until 10 became an Optional pre-checked.

Trust_No1 said:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I had an old Acer Revo 3700 1.8ghz CPU 2GB of ram, that I upgraded from 7 to 10
My first problem is that it took nearly 12 hours to install, I had to retry 3 times.
Next the operating speed was so poor, it seemed 1/2 the speed of Windows 7
I lost the touchscreen capabilities and had to get the old Windows Touch Pack for it
For the 1 or 2 features Windows 10 has, it removes a slew of older features we use.

I ended up uninstalling it and reverted back to Windows 7 (which went very smoothly)

Personally, I am not impressed with Windows 10, I can't recommend Windows 10 and though it may be fine for some, it definitely is not my cup of tea.

So, as I referred to some can like an ugly mutt, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

And those Apple bugs you talk about, the difference is, is that Apple actually corrects them and almost immediately. The last major bug, only effected about 10,000 people, but yet they immediately got a fix to them. So, I can't even compare Microsoft to Apple, when it comes to correcting defects.

When mentioning touchscreen support 10 should automatically be seeing more support natively when in the Tablet mode! then 7 ever saw. I know someone who ended up hating the lack of full support in 7 and ended up reverting back to strictly keyboard and mouse input.

While ME was labeled a big flop for which I still don't know why never having run that oldie there XP was to see years of "Lack of Support" for the over 1,000 fixes finally seen in SP3! XP here was nothing but a usual unfixed headache looking for any excuse to crash! Don't remember how many times I saw a clean install go on. Vista while less responsive and a larger OS to begin brought in improvements in stability as well as crash control carried on and improved on with 7.

10 is the new dual platform OS explaining why many things are different. You once again have a larger OS to deal with explaining the hour long installation time for the average first seen with 8 as well as further development on the WinMin kernel so it's takes less ram per process otherwise 10 would be much slower like 20minutes to arrive at the desktop! When compared next to 7 here the 7 desktop arrives sooner but remains loading things in the background before you can even begin while the 10 desktop takes a bit longer but less background loading once up. Once the desktop does arrive you can get started sooner in 10.

As far as features things like the sidebar and Windows Mail brought in with Vista are gone with WM having replaced Outlook Express XP saw. 7 Still saw the option for both however about when MS brought in Windows Live Mail becoming Live Essentials in time for 8 and then dropping Window Live Messenger entirely in favor of the much better Skype that is readily available for 10 with the "Get Skype" option.

As far as any major bugs MS had just released a major security fix back in June for all versions(Vista and newer) when a new vulnerability was discovered. Often there isn't any big news announcement when MS slips various fixes for thise or that out mixed in with the usual batch. Reading the details on each update can be a help at times except where MS was being a little slippery with the Get 10 app.