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  1.    25 Oct 2014 #1
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    Update to build 9860 messes up dual-boot setup


    Perhaps this was already discussed in other threads, but I decided to post that as a general warning: if you are using Win10 in a dual boot configuration on a separate drive, make sure you physically unplug all other hard drives before updating to a new build. Failure to do so may mess up your boot sequence! Win10 Build 9860 insists on being the default OS, I had to physically disconnect the SSD with Win10 before I even got to see an option (at the bottom of the screen with catastrophic failure message) to boot to another OS.
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  2.    25 Oct 2014 #2

    The builds are full installations. It has always been, that, when installing an OS, it takes boot precedence.
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  3.    25 Oct 2014 #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    The builds are full installations. It has always been, that, when installing an OS, it takes boot precedence.
    This is more than simply taking precedence. It appears to rewrite something in the bootloader, such that the option to boot to another OS is no longer there! Without unplugging the Win10 SSD I wasn't even given a choice, the thing would simply boot to Win10 no matter what I did.
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  4.    25 Oct 2014 #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by unifex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by davehc View Post
    The builds are full installations. It has always been, that, when installing an OS, it takes boot precedence.
    This is more than simply taking precedence. It appears to rewrite something in the bootloader, such that the option to boot to another OS is no longer there! Without unplugging the Win10 SSD I wasn't even given a choice, the thing would simply boot to Win10 no matter what I did.
    I found that using EasyBCD after I did the update I could easily change my boot order to my previous one. IE, I could boot either Win8 or Win10TP first and I could set the timer to launch the boot from 30 seconds to any time I would want.

    EasyBCD Community Edition Free Download - Softpedia

    HTH,,
    Jeff
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  5.    25 Oct 2014 #5
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    So System/ Advanced system settings/ Advanced/ Startup and recovery/ Settings did not show another os ?
    That kind of wrenched my last dual boot I didn't think to look in this area :/
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  6.    25 Oct 2014 #6

    removed my comment, it was already posted about EasyBCD

    but this link the direct site to NeoSmart the makers

    http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/
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  7.    25 Oct 2014 #7
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    Windows 10 has more advanced security, and as such it replaces the boot loader with a new version that supports the new security.

    Windows has always basically blown away the boot loader when you loaded the OS. Ask users of Linux, and other OS's.. Microsoft's position is.. you're installing this OS, they need to make sure it boots and runs correctly. You're free to change it after the fact, but they're going to make sure everything is defaulted after install.

    Only when you install Windows to a second disk (ie, your installing to a disk that is not your boot disk) has Windows ever kept the existing boot configuration.
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  8.    26 Oct 2014 #8
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    Yep an irritating trait it also reset to 0 seconds too just to irritate a person
    Essentially the setting is useless,
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  9.    26 Oct 2014 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Windows 10 has more advanced security, and as such it replaces the boot loader with a new version that supports the new security.

    Windows has always basically blown away the boot loader when you loaded the OS. Ask users of Linux, and other OS's.. Microsoft's position is.. you're installing this OS, they need to make sure it boots and runs correctly. You're free to change it after the fact, but they're going to make sure everything is defaulted after install.

    Only when you install Windows to a second disk (ie, your installing to a disk that is not your boot disk) has Windows ever kept the existing boot configuration.
    I am installing it on a separate disk. I just haven't realized that "upgrading" to the new build behaves similarly to a new install. And so while upgrading I did not unplug all other drives. What the upgrade did, was to change the bootloader *on another drive*, setting Win10 as a default OS and getting rid of the time delay, such that no choice of the OS was visible. As a result, I could not boot to Windows 7 anymore.

    Previously, I had Windows 8 installed on that separate disk and I never run into that problem.
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  10.    26 Oct 2014 #10
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    Run into that myself, SSD is first boot device with W 8.1 on it, Separate HDD for W 10TP is what it was when 9841 was installed. Boot menu was installed on both of them. So, I booted of that boot menu from HDD and after updating TP to 9860 only that installation was available so it must have changed something on that SSD and it had business doing that, should have done it on HDD only. I was able to get boot menu back but this I didn't expect from just an update otherwise I would have disconnected other drives while doing it.
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