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  1.    16 Oct 2015 #401

    Quote Originally Posted by simrick View Post
    @Kari
    It's in here somewhere.

    Forced Download $Windows.~BT folder appeared - Page 2 - Windows 10 Forums


    Actually, to update, I have had 2 conversations with MS tech support, and both times they said that retail licenses maintain transfer rights after upgrading. It also states that in the EULA/MSLT that you agree to when installing.

    Interestingly, when I asked if I had to first install the W7/W8.x before upgrading when I transfer to a new computer, they said I could use the specific ESD/ISO for that system and skip installing the qualifying OS first.
    Thanx for info budette,
    As you may know, I have been dealing with activation issues at EF quite extensively, and the new digital entiltlement has me in a tizz as well.
    As we know OEM vs Retail refers more to support channels than transferability. The confusion is when OEM licences gets converted to digital entitlement (and Retail per se) - does it mean the OEM's relinquishes maintenance responsibilities?

    My understanding is that the upgraded key maintains it's rights - thus the OEM key for Win7/8 will always be the respnsibility of the OEM - however as soon as that becomes retail via digital entitelment, MS assumes support.

    In other words, transferability is maintained by the underlying key not by digital entitelment.

    Sorry, if I sound like I'm rambling, just trying to makes sense of all this...
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  2.    16 Oct 2015 #402
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Sorry, if I sound like I'm rambling, just trying to makes sense of all this...
    No rambling at all, makes sense.
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  3.    16 Oct 2015 #403
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    You didn't have to scream at me!
    I didn't just had to get your attention. Before telling me what I should have done you should have read the thread, after all I am not perfect, like you I am human and make mistakes. When I do, I own up to them .
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  4.    16 Oct 2015 #404
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Thanx for info budette,
    As you may know, I have been dealing with activation issues at EF quite extensively, and the new digital entiltlement has me in a tizz as well.
    As we know OEM vs Retail refers more to support channels than transferability. The confusion is when OEM licences gets converted to digital entitlement (and Retail per se) - does it mean the OEM's relinquishes maintenance responsibilities?

    My understanding is that the upgraded key maintains it's rights - thus the OEM key for Win7/8 will always be the respnsibility of the OEM - however as soon as that becomes retail via digital entitelment, MS assumes support.

    In other words, transferability is maintained by the underlying key not by digital entitelment.

    Sorry, if I sound like I'm rambling, just trying to makes sense of all this...
    No, that makes sense, but the transferability of the OEM COA sticker key to any other virgin machine as digital entitlement and activate a freely available build 10565 ISO install is a splendid present!

    Then, presumably the new virgin PC is good for Windows for life.

    This upgrade model surely cannot continue, and makes the EULA terms for Windows 10 nonsense.
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  5.    16 Oct 2015 #405

    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    No, that makes sense, but the transferability of the OEM COA sticker key to any other virgin machine as digital entitlement and activate a freely available build 10565 ISO install is a splendid present!

    Then, presumably the new virgin PC is good for Windows for life.

    This upgrade model surely cannot continue, and makes the EULA terms for Windows 10 nonsense.
    There are lots of loopholes, especially regarding Windows 7, obviously not up for discussion, but yeah, thus the need for OA3, which has closed it.
    I doubt MS will now go back and close those win7 loopholes, I mentioned in a previous post that pirates are getting digital entilement, not only on Win 7 but Win 8 via KMS as well ...

    What I'm a bit confused about is that MAK keys qualify for 'direct upgrade' as well (dunno if you saw the list of approved Win7/8 editions I posted)... a bit strange for a non-VL free upgrade. So many questions, so few answers.
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  6.    16 Oct 2015 #406
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    Microsoft Releases PC build 10565 to Insiders in the Slow ring today.

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  7.    16 Oct 2015 #407
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Microsoft Releases PC build 10565 to Insiders in the Slow ring today.

    That's only logical now when the ISO is already out.
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  8.    16 Oct 2015 #408
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Microsoft Releases PC build 10565 to Insiders in the Slow ring today.

    Yes. It makes sense now!
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  9.    16 Oct 2015 #409
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    ...the transferability of the OEM COA sticker key to any other virgin machine as digital entitlement and activate a freely available build 10565 ISO install is a splendid present!
    Indeed...Merry Early Christmas from Microsoft
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  10.    16 Oct 2015 #410
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brink View Post
    Microsoft Releases PC build 10565 to Insiders in the Slow ring today.

    Why did they bother? We already have the ISO, which is much easier.
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